Why is Luis Angel Firpo in the IBHOF?

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Dude was a total Tex Rickard hype job, beating a bunch of amateur tomato cans in South America before getting the corpse of Bill Brennan served up in Bill's next to last fight, some more cans, then a 900 year old Jess Willard, then fodder for Jack Dempsey's beatdown of him... and that makes a Hall of Fame career?

    Herbie Hide has more right to claim a place in the hall. Hell, Frans Botha has more claim.
     
  2. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because any man that can knock Jack Dempsey out of the ring should be in the HOF.
     
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  3. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Because he participated in a culturally significant fight.
     
  4. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Barrios is a bandit robber - Psalm 144:1 Full Member

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    Literally this it’s a famous painting and an iconic bout connected to someone as big as Babe Ruth - Sly Stallone is also in the HOF right?
     
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  5. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    Basically the same reason Corbett and Kilrain are there
     
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  6. AntonioMartin1

    AntonioMartin1 Jeanette Full Member

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    Firpo was huge in Latin America

    How huge?

    He has streets named after him in different countries and a football team also named after him in El Salvador, which is near Mexico, which is the polar opposite of Argentina in Latin America, map-wise (well, Mexico Cuba and Puerto Rico all are, actually).

    Plus you need to take into account it was the 1920s, a singular champion in every division and no regular, super, interim, etc champions. It was much harder to get a title chance, let alone a world title.

    He deserves to be in.
     
  7. AntonioMartin1

    AntonioMartin1 Jeanette Full Member

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    And Jose Sulaiman...
     
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  8. BCS8

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    Fat Boy Meehan ought to be as well, given that he actually beat Dempsey.
     
  9. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In speed boxing. He was much better at speed boxing.
     
  10. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Don't you know..?
     
  11. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Theres some truth to this but its sort of a Zhang situation. Zhangs resume wouldn't normally merit HOF induction but hes going to get it because hes Chinese and was a founding father of the sport for such a large part of the global population. Firpo had a far greater cultural impact and you could argue before Pele he was the most famous South American sportsman. Its the Hall of "Fame" and Firpo was very famous.


    Firpo also beat Ermino Spalla and Weinart(they were 1-1). The former was an IBU champ and the latter was a perenial top 10 HW for like 10 years. Weinart went almost undefeated at LHW before he made the jump and probably deserves to make the IBHOF. McAuliffe was undefeated at the time they fought too. Firpos resume is light by the standards of the day but when you've got people calling Usyk the HW GOAT after 7 fights its hard to keep guys like Firpo out of the HOF.

    Botha might have fought almost everyone but he did lose almost all those fights to a man. He also had his belt taken away because of PEDs.
     
  12. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Spalla would go 8-9 for the rest of his middling career. The contemporary write-ups of him were less than complimentary. "Spalla is strong, tough, and that is all. His knowledge of boxing is limited."... "Spalla began fighting again back home, where critics are not as knowing". Still, despite being outweighed by 30+ pounds, he "punished Firpo severely" and "staggered Firpo with a a right to the jaw".

    As far as Weinert, say what you will. "Weinert seemed a mere suggestion of his old self," according to ringisder Damon Runyon. Another 25 pound weight gap. Rickard at ringside "breathed a sigh of relief. The million-dollar September gate- the Dempsey-Firpo fight- is saved."

    Firpo remains the classic example of a fabricated hype job. All the rose-tinted myth-making and crappy artwork aside, there was no there there. He was a role player in the artifice being written by Dempsey Inc. For that, he is in the Hall of Fame. Great.
     
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  13. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He’s in because
    1.he broke a glass ceiling with South American sports.
    2. He engaged in what was deemed the most exciting sporting event (not just boxing all of sports) of the first half of the 20th century.
    3. One of the most famous sports related artworks depicts his finest moment.

    Does that get him into my hall of fame no way. He’s not in for merit.
    However on a whole and especially in the modern era category Boxing has kept induction into the heavyweight division to be a premium. I believe the only non lineal HW to gain induction is Norton.
     
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  14. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He fought what was called the Fight of The Century in those days.
     
  15. GlaukosTheHammer

    GlaukosTheHammer Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm a bit confused by some of the answer but I don't have a problem with Firpo either.

    You guys do know Tex manufactured Firpo? He tried to do the same with Uzcudun later but Paulion picked up too many Ls.


    Got to be good to be lucky, but Firpo's a spot of luck. Fame, sure, plenty, and so IBHF, sure, but the praise from the fans like he's special ... eh... crack a book.
     
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