Teddy Atlas's 10 Greatest Heavyweights of All Time.

This is a 100% rational take. He is interesting but Teddy is subscribed to drawing in casuals with all that yelling. This is a pity for the rest of us.

 

What does it matter who's era is or isn't, Holyfield still fought the better opposition and has BEATEN better opposition than Usyk.

 

And he got beat by John Ruiz. And he got beat by the otherwise unimpressive Riddick Bowe and Mike Moorer.

I will not go onto those who beat him after Ruiz as Usyk hasn't reached that age yet.

 

He's back!

 

So you have Foreman at 5 or 6 depending on the day, yet think Atlas rating him at number 5 is too high?

 

Yet Tunney still makes the Top Ten.

In all transparency I already put my bet on Dubois for the next fight, which when I am proven correct, and after I've frivolously wasted my earnings will make this argument somewhat muted, as you noted.

 

Every list is just a opinion so I can't really be fussed about it.

 

Ewps.

I think I had a brain blackout when I saw Holmes below Foreman, sorry Swag.

I can't pick Tunney, Dempsey, or Johnson over Holmes, Holy, or Foreman either. The absence of Frazier is so bizarre as to appear goofy.

Marciano is certainly debatable, I won't argue him on Atlas' list.

 

Looking at that list and seeing Marciano at #4 gave me pause, of the other 8 heavyweights on that list who would you favor Rocky to beat?
For me he might beat Johnson or Tunney and that's it and I'm not really confident of either

 

Not a bad list but no way is Tunney above Lewis and i think Wlad should be on there.

 

In all transparency I already put my bet on Dubois for the next fight, which when I am proven correct, and after I've frivolously wasted my earnings will make this argument somewhat muted, as you noted.[/QUOTE]

Why would Usyk losing the rematch at 38 negatively impact him vis a vis Holyfield? Surely if he fights long enough he will eventually lose to somebody. Nobody is suggesting he won't eventually lose if he fights on too long.

 

Holyfield was 2-0 vs Tyson who was no longer the Iron Mike of the 80's, a few years in prison will do that, 1-2 vs Bowe, and 0-1-1- vs Lewis which should of been 0-2 imo. Holyfield may have fought better guys, but it does not mean he has a better record vs em. Usyk at 38 years has already unify 2 titles in both the Cruiserweight and heavyweight divisions. And is 4-0 vs both Fury and Joshua. And even if Usyk loses his next bout, his place as a all-time great is set in stone.