What will happen after Canelo knocks out Terence?

Roberto Duran's best win is Sugar Ray Leonard; Crawford's best and only A-grade win was against a brain-damaged Errol Spence, who looked like he was stoned during his ring walk. The "beaten X number of world champions" is irrelevant when comparing eras because there are infinitely more belts now. In Duran's era, there were two belts, which is how it should have stayed.

Once the IBF and WBO came about in the 1980s, the WBF and IBO joined in, and suddenly, everyone was a "world champion." Crawford has an extremely weak resume compared to any of the greats. If they fought at lightweight, Duran would take Bud out in under six rounds. Sugar Ray Leonard and Hearns would've also taken him out in a similar fashion as well, don't get it twisted, they were made from something completely different back then.

 

That's why he has been so reluctant to take it and I am still not convinced he makes it to the ring in Sept.

 

Ok now your just trolling. Crawford does not rate above Duran currently, can't see anyone that would entertain that.

Maybe if Crawford completely schools Canelo he has a better argument, but right now a shell Spence, Porter, shot Khan & Brook, plus an 11-pro fight Madrimov is hardly enough

 

I can see it like Golvkin/Brooke. Then again, I can see it similar to Mayweather/Canelo. Crawford is about the same age Mayweather was when they fought. Canelo is much older now. I am pulling for Bud, but would not be surprised by either outcome if I'm being honest.

 

I think Crawford outpoints Canelo. Canelo looks too sluggish now and still cuts massive weight. Crawford is going to be more comfortable going up in weight and will be the much faster fighter.

 

I don't know why people are comparing Madrimov and Canelo as to why Crawford is going to struggle against Canelo. Madrimov never stops moving and is hard to look good against. I think Canelo would even struggle with Madrimov and that style (and he has in the past).

Canelo is a flat-footed plodder, albeit it a very good defensive one with power. His style is nothing like Madrimov's. If he beats Crawford, he'll probably knock him out but I can see Canelo struggling in the fight. I doubt it'll be a blowout.

 

canelo cant knock out bad fighters like john rider but hes gonna knock out a great boxer like crawford? i think guys under 5’10 give a lot more credence to size difference than actually matters

 

You're crazy as hell if you think Canelo has lost interest in preserving his legacy and isn't taking this fight seriously. Canelo has a huge ego and will do everything in his power to win.

 

It's possible this fight will be staged more than a Tyson Paul fight, a money grab by both guys especially Bud who'll probably make more for this fight than in his entire career . When it goes the distance in a lackluster effort you'll know what happened, oh and Canelo wins the decision.

 

Trolling would suggest that I'm saying things for the sake of reaction as if there isn't LOGIC and FACTS being stated to support my opinion. The issue is, you are lacking both those categories in rebuttal to my statements. You are simply throwing out your opinion and thinking it holds more weight than actual events, documentation, stats, awards, etc.....that suggest that Crawford deserves to be mentioned in or before Duran in regards to greatness.

Clearly those that matter with deciding who is worthy the ultimate accolade of Hall of Fame agree with my statement, so, random fans who do all they can to discredit Crawford means next to nothing in regards to the value of them "entertaining that"...... You seem like you are pretty knowledgeable on the sport beyond just a specific couple fighters. I'm sure you know that when fighters are inducted into the Hall of Fame, their fist is molded (casted) for display. Crawford's career apparently was enough for them to ask him to cast his fist along with the 2022 inductees making him the ONLY active fighter to ever go through that part of the ceremony. This is before the "shell Spence" victory which made him the first male 2 division undisputed champion in the 4 belt era. Before becoming a 4 division world champion vs the "11-pro fight Madrimov"........ At the time of that ceremony Crawford was still a 6x world champ across 3 divisions. He was still a 2x fighter of the year recipient. He was still an undisputed champ. He was still a 2x Lineal champ. He was still an ESPY Award winner. None of the ignorance that you fake boxing fans try to throw at Crawford's career mattered as he was still celebrated along side Roy Jones Jr., James Toney, Miguel Cotto, and other inductees that year. Not once did you hear anyone on the panel or any of his peers, or any of the former greats chant some stupidity that his career doesn't suggest he is worthy of being amongst the greats.......

I'm sure all the Man Fans who act like Boxing Fans can be creative enough to put an asterisk on every great milestone of Crawford if they wanted to (which many have), but every single fighter y'all throw an asterisks on, there is multiple articles and analysis who give those fighters ultimate praise as if they were the threat to Crawfords unbeaten record. From Gamboa to Diaz to Postol, to Indongo, to Horn, to Khan to Brook, to Porter, to Spence, to Madrimov. Then comes the Sunday following each fight and the excuses pour like milk and honey.....lol...... It's all documented. The articles are easy to find through a swift google search. The threads are easy to find on even this site. The moving of the goal post is epic because Crawford goes in and shows that he's cut from a different cloth from his opponents. AND THEY ARE THE BEST IN THE DIVISION. Rather than praising Crawford for being elite, y'all use that energy to suggest the entire field is weak because clearly, he's fighting the champions and top ranked competition in the divisions.

At the end of the day......y'alls opinions mean nothing next to facts. Because the fact is, if what Crawford has done was so easy to do or less worthy of great praise, then why hadn't more people done it. Damn fighters of the past, how about the current fighters at which are active during Crawford's era. Danny Garcia, Mikey Garcia, Adrien Broner, Shawn Porter, Keith Thurman, Errol Spence Jr., Amir Khan, Kell Brook, Yordenis Ugas, etc......Some fighters who could possibly get the call by the Hall of Fame committee. 2 of them already have. Why is it those guys with a better platform than what Crawford started with, in their prime didn't accomplish half of what Crawford has but yet get more praise for their careers than Crawford.

Crawford recently when asked, said that Spence isn't Hall of Fame worthy (which I and many others disagree) and many of the "boxing public" jumped to the opportunity to rebuttal it......Someone who's best wins come at the hands of a fighter who came up 2 divisions (Mikey Garcia), a fighter who was coming off a loss/injury/surgery/drain back down 2 divisions (Kell Brook), a couple welterweights who lost to every elite fighter they faced at 147 (Porter and Danny) and a fighter who lost to one of them (Ugas). But people defended his career stating that he was definitely first ballot. But Crawford who stopped Porter, Brook, Khan, and undefeated champs like Postol, Gamboa, Horn, Indongo, while also having wins over Ricky Burns and Israil Madrimov.....All but one of those names were born outside of the U.S. so they are looked down upon as being legit opponents. Unless they are fighting someone NOT name Crawford.... like Tank Davis and Devin Haney getting ultimate praise for beating injured and old Gamboa....but Crawford beat undefeated prime Gamboa and it was nothing to clap about.

I guess if you are one who gives a man more props for his losses than a man who actually accomplishes what he set out to do, then I am wasting time expecting you to have a realistic conversation regarding the subject. Because to you, Crawford needs a win over Canelo to even be respected on that level.... a man that as we speak, Crawford haters are now coming up with excuses for if Crawford is to be successful vs Canelo and/or is dominate. Crawford could never do enough to y'all..... It is what it is. I'm sure he isn't bothered.

 

The logic and facts are on my side my friend, and my rebuttal was clearly pointing out that regardless of the eye-test, Bud's resume is paper-thin when compared to Hands of Stone!

Now some of that is not Crawfords fault as he could only fight who was put in front of him, but I would love to see any real Boxing expert that puts Crawford above Duran in ANY list.

And a poll here would be 80/20 if not wider to Duran on any metric we could come up with; and that's not popularity, it's simply that Duran is a greater boxer that Crawford over their respective careers, by any objective measure you can come up with.

We will have to agree to disagree on this one, Duran is top 5 ATG P4P, Bud doesn't even get in the top 100 in my view.

 

Totally agree! Crawford over his career has shown incredible skill but however people on here disregard madrimov's fight against him, madrimov made id very difficult for him and crawford did not look remotely as good against him as was to be expected. It doesn't quite matter that madrimov punched less than usual, because crawford was also less convincing than usual and we're talking about him. That's just what happens when fighters on a similar level meet. You can blame the age or the higher weight class I don't care, but they were on one level and the fight was close and losable for crawford. Now it is not hate that people suggest he might be in trouble when going two further weight classes up.

On the other hand Canelo looked like an old man in flip flops when stalking and not engaging scull. Judges can give him all rounds they want to even when he doesn't throw punches and his opponent does, but that does not make me expect a good fight out of the most entitled boxer I have seen. It was not to be expected that a boxer would engage all the time against the puncher, making him look good, but it made total sense for scull to evade canelo and find ways to win thr exchanges, which he managed to do for stretches of the fight. Determining when the exchanges happen is part of ring generalship by the way. Instead of adapting, canelo complained to the ref - not really a great undisputed champion mindset I dare say. Remember sugar ray leonard against hagler or duran 2? If you hate on scull, watch those fights, too, please. Since scull is on a lower level than where canelo is supposed to be according to his fans, these tactics should be respected as an honest way of challenging canelo instead of being sulky like little babies that the opponent fighter did not make the amazing hall of famer look his best without having to make an effort for it...

Canelo is very much overrated at this point. He does not look good if his opponent doesn't fight the way he needs him to. Crawford at 168 and at his age is also overrated. This will be a fight between 40% Canelo and 50% Crawford or something like it.

It might be a good fight like Benn vs Eubank Jr but that also wasn't on the highest level. What annoys me with this whole charade is that it's probably again going to be a big event pulling in outsiders to the sport of boxing and they see the old leftovers but expect and possibly are told that it's the best boxing has to offer. Like Mayweather vs pacquiao.

In the pasr those fights were ali frazier, ali foreman, leonard duran and so on. Those delivered. Those were fighters in their prime. Now the fighters use their career to build their name, often avoiding their most dangerous opponents, and at the end when they are on the slide they have their mega fights looking soso... Not really great marketing for the sport of boxing

 

You've pushed zero logic or facts. Just your opinion. Then your prediction of what it would be IF a poll was done, which still means nothing. Starting to believe that you think that YOUR opinion of Crawford is an actual fact. Maybe that's why of all the things I pointed out that's DOCUMENTED as Crawford's great career, you addressed none of them but simply is going off of Duran because he is a solidified name of the past. Duran is not a top 5 ATG p4p. Its weird that you are even suggesting that when there are 4 guys I pointed out on his own resume that he was clearly not better than. Lost to a couple of them twice and quit against one. That's not even counting other greats from the previous and following eras. THAT is called logic, sprinkled in with a few facts.

Saying that "some of that is not Crawford's fault"......Crawford fought the best in the divisions. It's been said repeatedly. Who else was he supposed to fight. He wanted the Manny fight and that was admitted kept from him by Bob Arum and Freddie Roach. What name was he supposed to fight? If you can't at least answer that question, you have to admit to how silly stating that "something" was his fault in regards to his "resume being thin"..........Crawford is a problem in any era. Duran fighting and losing to Hall of Famers doesn't make him better than Crawford dominating lesser names who may actually be Hall of Famers when they walk away from the sport as well.

The only thing that goes without saying in your post is your last 3 words of your post....."in my view"..... because that's all it is..... Your view. You couldn't answer any of the questions I asked because you contradicts YOUR VIEW. And I'm fine with it. I'm not here to promote that Crawford should be anyones favorite or top5/10/15 or whatever. I'm simply stating that his name belongs in the discussion along the rest of them. You saying he's not even in the top 100 is the most ignorant push back of this conversation and just lets me know that you simply just don't want to appreciate Crawford for anything he's done. Thus this conversation continuing would be pointless because you aren't and haven't been hearing anything said.

It's all good, I will continue to find it amusing when all who hate this man are scrabbling for excuses to explain why he shouldn't be praised for yet another accomplishment that y'all claimed he wasn't going to get in the first place........

 

I find all that most amusing considering, when I originally mentioned Duran, it was actually to give Crawford the benefit of the doubt on 'daring to be great' rather than what most other folks are doing in terms of suggesting that Canelo is beating up on a mismatched guy coming up 2 divisions a la GGG and Brooke.

I don't hate Bud at all, I actually like him a lot, enjoy watching him fight and think based on the eye-test he probably is a generational great, and he has proved that to an extent in the ring. But his resume is simply not that great as it stands.

And since you want to look at facts, let's look at top 5 wins first shall we?

1. Earl Spence Jr* (Bud) vs Sugar Ray Leonard (Duran, Montreal)
2. Shawn Porter (Bud) vs Iran Barkley (Duran)
3. Victor Postol (Bud) vs Davey Moore (Duran)
4. Kell Brook* (Bud) vs Esteban De Jesus (Duran)
5. Amir Khan* (Bud) vs Jose Cuevas (Duran)

* Clearly post-prime / shot / compromised name only

It's not even close to being a fair contest! One could even argue given how Spence, Khan and Brook were all arguably shot and well past prime that Duran's (who still has additonal wins over the likes of Palomino, Viruet, Lampkin etc) win over Cuevas is easily better than anything in Crawfords top 5 - even if you bring in Madrimov, Gamboa etc - as much as I love Ricky Burns, I don't think anyone will be pushing him as a great name on Crawfords resume.

And this is before we even look at the depth - sure, Duran had his losses, but if you dare to be great and fight the best, often and move up in weight well past your optimal division, you will lose! On paper Duran had no business moving up to fight Hagler, Leonard and Hearns, and his losses there elevate his greatness, not diminish it - though like Roy Jones Jr, he did fight on too long and took losses later in his career that he should not have.

This might be a very different set of facts if Crawford had done some different things in his career:-
1. The fight with Spence should have been made LONG before it was (similar to Pac/Floyd)
2. Crawford should have went up to 154, then maybe even 160 much earlier also - he is a big guy that has boiled down to the smaller divisions. His achievements and resume - even in the event of a loss - would be that much more compelling; I think Crawford would have beat both the Charlo's, and whilst I don't think he would have beaten GGG, he could have picked up a belt at 160 considering how much of a wasteland it has been since Canelo moved to 168 and GGG stopped fighting. It's a marquee division and would have been a great thing for Crawford - and would have helped him in his chase for Canelo
3. Stayed at 147 for too long where there wasn't much in the way of quality dance partners

I'm going to create a poll thread to see what the concensus is on here, seeing as you keep taking exception with me saying Duran is is the greater boxer than Crawford.

EDIT - poll thread here https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...or-terence-bud-crawford.736717/#post-23396491, 100% to Duran currently 17-0

 

Those who claim Crawford is easy work for Canelo are starting to sound like Joshua supporters going into the first Usyk fight.

Just saying.