Prime for Prime, Dmitrii Bivol vs. Roy Jones Jr ?

Yes they were all caught just like Roy would've been

An unusually high testosterone reading which didn't even amount to a failed test?

Roy actually FAILED a test where he was six times over acceptable levels

If Beterbiev had actually failed a test you might have a point but he didn't and even if he had of it would be an even playing field and Roy still gets violently stretched out cold on his back or face and needs smelling salts to revive him from his deep snooze

 

The irony of Roy fans saying we need to bring up PEDs in debates about hypothetical match ups couldn't be more priceless and even more so given Beterbiev didn't even fail a test

 

Huge puncher based off your eyes and ears and the first-hand accounts of people who've shared a ring with him like Seanie Monaghan who had fought or sparred plenty of punchers, including sparring Beterbiev who described that experience as feeling like being hit by a Mack Truck, and said Johnson has extremely heavy hands and savage power and they might be the heaviest he'd ever been hit by

Yes heavy. Roy's legs were still shaky and he had to grab ahold of the fearsome punching Del Valle

I never said Beterbiev wasn't hurt by Johnson. He was

What relevance? Beterbiev hits way harder than Tarver and Johnson

And Bivol and Beterbiev both beat Tarver and Roy

 

I never said Gamboa failed. Holyfield never failed a test but he was caught purchasing PEDs and he was implicated in a PED scandal as Gamboa was so we know he was juicing

What are you babbling on about? When did I say fighters who pop dirty only used PEDs for the fight they got caught doing so? Of course they didn't just like Roy obviously didn't.

Roy FAILED a PED test. He is a PROVEN PED cheat. Stop trying to deflect away from that.

You need to understand that none of these Rojo tactics of delusion, deflection and excuses work on me

Roy did not mysteriously become shot overnight at 35 y/o
The weight excuse is complete delusional nonsense
He failed a PED test not the fighters who never did you all pick him to beat in hypothetical match ups
And his chin would always have got cracked by punchers like Beterbiev

 

No they're ATGs and ATG punchers at LHW. I never claimed Johnson was. It's not a stretch you can see and hear how heavy Johnson's hooks are. They are really meaty thumping shots. No one has ever dropped or hurt Beterbiev like that even when he fought up at HW in the amateurs vs much bigger and heavier men at the elite level. Someone on here who claimed to have inside information said that Johnson sparked out Callum Smith in sparring twice and I didn't get the impression they were lying at all.

The Del Valle KD was a heavy KD as in Roy hit the canvas hard. I never said he was out of it or close to being KO'd

Beterbiev definitely hits harder than Tarver. He's not even trying to time opponents and take them out with one punch the vast majority of the time. That's not his style. He would catch Roy with something big and it would either spark Roy out or hurt him extremely badly and then he would pounce on him and pound him into unconsciousness extremely quickly after doing so

Beterbiev isn't just a come forward pressure fight he can box and move and walk you into shots. Either way, Roy gets caught and KO'd

Bivol's power is underrated and pretty much all these guys he's fought at LHW sans Clenelo are bigger or much bigger than him and most of them are extremely tough durable men who have either never been stopped, or a bunch of them never even been dropped before, or when they have been very rarely and by murderous punchers like Kovalev and Beterbiev or big punchers like Yarde

It's cool, DP, I respect your opinion

 

I never said Gamboa failed a test. I know he didn't. I said they were caught, as in we know, like we do about Holyfield, that he was a PED cheat. Some failed tests, some were implicated in PED scandals or admitted to using PEDs.

Why are you talking about the length of bans for I never said Roy would get caught and wouldn't ever be allowed to fight again. I just said he would get KO1'd by VADA if he had to undergo actual stringent testing. Just like he was KO 1'd the first time they tested him for roids as a pro when he FAILED his test

I told you to stop deflecting. Roy failed a test. His opponents in these hypothetical match ups haven't. If they do then you might have a point, like with Tarver and Toney for example.

 

Roy is unbeaten in hypothetical fights because we can make believe glass is iron the fantasy realm.

Huh? Clenelo is PED cheat. Roy's a PED cheat. Has one of them been subjected to infinitely more stringent testing throughout their career than the other? Yes and we know which one that was and it wasn't the one who was given a box of chocolates and a magnum of champagne for doing so. But at the end of the day they're both PED cheats and that's all there is to it.

 

It's not a wild take at all. It's perfectly rational and accurate.

Just because a fighter hasn't beaten anyone world class doesn't mean they don't have world class power or punch resistance. Dave Allen is domestic level but he has one of the best chins in the division

Mickey Hughes was domestic level but he sparked Gary Jacobs out cold on his face with one of the shortest left hooks you'll ever see

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Seanie Monaghan on Johnson's power

“Much respect to the man who beat me last night @CallumTheOne. I’ve been in the ring over the years fighting and sparring with plenty of big punchers but Callum might have the heaviest hands I’ve ever seen! Savage punching power. Respect and best wishes going forward champ.”

The same Seanie who said this

'Seanie Monaghan recently spent some time sparring Beterbiev and he was very impressed.

''Damn @IcemanScully your boy Beterbiev is an absolute Wrecking Machine! It's like trying to step out on a highway and box with a Macktruck''

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It wasn't a flash KD Beterbiev was hurt and I never said he would've knocked Roy out cold I said that left hook Johnson dropped Beterbiev would've knocked Roy out cold. He would have to land with that left hook first