Taylor was always massively overrated

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  1. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He beat Postol and Ryan Martin who were bigger than him so its unfair to say he was just taking advantage of his size advantage. But that was over 5 years ago and he fought mostly once a year since. So I don't think he was always overrated a few years ago he was the best 140er and now he isn't. Everyone ages different but 34 is not young for the smaller weight classes especially since we've changed the definition of "washed" to "the moment a fighter can't hold a title". If we hold someone to those standards then early 30s is old.

    Taylor ruled a tweener division after and because Crawford left as long as you were rating him understanding that he wasn't overrated. Hes not Spence either. Speaking of Spence we are too harsh on champions for losing. He had a bad loss to the best P4P fighter and everyones acting like he died or something. It'd be nice if champs could lose their belt without obituarys being written.

    I see Josh Taylor as a typical champ for this era. Short career, undefeated champion, fights once a year for a few years after winning the belt, single digit wins against elite fighters, starts losing, retires a few fights later.
     
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    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Solid post from a top shelf poster.

    Taylor was very good at his absolute best.

    Unfortunately his physical apex/prime was disappointingly short. It happens. Not every fighter is blessed with longevity. I suspect genes and lifestyle contribute greatly to it.
     
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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Nah, he was a good fighter. Everyone gets this thread when they're past it.
     
  4. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Many people thought Kovalev was at one point in time the best fighter on the planet, p4p. Myself included. He probably was the best fighter in the world from 2014-2016. Taylor was never close to that. Not quite sure why Taylor got that much hype.
     
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    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Unless your power or chin is generational, I'm not sure why a guy who basically stands in the center of the ring and just bangs crudely would be considered a great fighter. Good fighter. Solid power. Solid chin. Solid stamina. I'm simplifying here, but Taylor never really impressed when it came to technique.
     
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  6. Lonsdale81

    Lonsdale81 New Member Full Member

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    So what i bet you've overrated fighters
     
  7. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Spence stopped Brook due to the eye injury

    Porter was dropped by Broner and Crawford too

    I don't think Broner has actually dropped anyone above 140. I could be wrong but I don't recall it if it did happen

    Porter is another guy who fought a lot of light/average punchers and not many legit ones

    He was KO'd in the amateurs and dropped a bunch of times too

    Spence hit Mikey a lot

    Speaking of wildly overrated fighters Mikey and Broner are two more. Technically four-weight champs but so much PBC/Showtime smoke and mirrors

    Thanks. Yes, it's something I first noticed during the Postol fight. In fact, a few hours after the fight Shane McGuigan pretty much said ad verbatim what I did in the RBR regarding that.

    I think the super confident angry hardman act was bravado to mask underlying self-belief issues. He comes from a small town and it was a very fast ascent to the top for him.

    When you're relaxed the punches are faster and the combinations flow smoother. Once he started to relax and actually put some thought into what he was doing against Postol the fight became less difficult for him
     
  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    The Taylor who beat up Porter and Ugas in sparring would not have lost to EE that's for damn sure
     
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    If beating Postol in just your 13th fight when you haven't fought any prime world class opponents before or been past 9 rounds is so unimpressive what does that say about Crawford's resume considering it's arguably his best win in 41 fights?
     
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  10. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Internet virgin Full Member

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    Taylor didn`t want to fight at welter because he would have had less of a height advantage and doesn`t punch hard enough to keep welter`s off him.
     
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    Buchanan, better fighter and dropped the the title to one of the greatest fighters of all-time by a low blow.
     
  12. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Also Taylor was an elite amatuer and didn't waste anytime in the pro's he never really took any tune ups. Taylor always brought the fight he wasn't a safety first merchant a real warrior. I think he should've gone to 147 after the Ramirez fight. A lot of people don't realize that these elite amatuer's put themselves through hell long before they turn pro making weight and having 2 to 3 fights a week.
     
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  13. Serge

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    Yes for sure

    10th fight 15-0 Ohara

    11th 39-5 Miguel Vazquez

    13th 29-1 Postol

    14th 22-0 Ryan Martin

    15th 19-0 Baranchyk for the world title

    16th 24-0 Rougarou to become unified

    17th 16-0 Khongsong

    18th 26-0 JCR to become undisputed in the US with a US ref and 3 US judges

    19th 26-0 Catterall

    20th 18-1 Teofimo

    21st 28-1 Catterall

    Since moving up to the world level he fought

    6 world champions in 11 fights

    He won and unified all his world titles against unbeaten fighters, a six fight streak, or a seven fight streak of unbeaten fighters if you include his fight prior to winning his first world title

    And from Postol to EE he never fought anyone with more than one loss

    He fought Teofimo in the US, the same Teofimo who categorically refused to fight him in the UK even though Taylor was the undisputed champion at the weight :facepalm:

    Fought for undisputed in the US vs JCR with a home ref and three home judges

    He's fought in the US x 5 in 21 fights

    Regardless of what anyone thinks of him he wasn't afraid to test himself and fight the best from early on in his career and he maintained that all throughout his reign
     
  14. hoopsman

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    Bingo, Serge. Mikey, in particular, was a very good fighter and might have achieved a good deal more, but he was never this generational talent.
     
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    Better than everyone on Taylor's resume which is the ironic part isn't it. Taylor beat the same weak era that Crawford did at 140 but Taylor got praised for it more