Moses Itaumu vs. Rocky Marciano

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Seamus, May 26, 2025.


Itaumu vs. Marciano.

  1. Itaumu by KO

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  2. Itaumu by Dec

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  3. Marciano by KO

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  4. Marciano by Dec

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Nah, nothing like that required, it's about the same as Mike and Carl Williams.

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  2. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Except that Mike had impeccable balance, preternatural quickness of hand and foot, and evasive upperbody movement in order to close the gap and shoot before The Truth could respond. Marciano will be attempting to wade in low, off balance, with two left feet and land one of his wind-up rock em, sock em right hands from ground zero.

    The proof is how post-prison Tyson was picked off by elite fighter because he had lost about 5% of those elements to his game. Then he was just another midget swinging for the fences.
     
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  3. McGrain

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    ...yeah, good, yeah, i'm sure there are loads of 12-0 pros that could have whacked Marciano.


    I'd pick Marciano by second round knockout myself though, the only question is whether or not Moses has that iron chin. Because he hasn't really been hit by anyone in the 25 rounds he's boxed we just don't know yet...it'd be interesting if he had the iron jaw, that's for sure.
     
  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    But for his first 35 fights Marciano was a regional fighter facing completely mediocre or at best unproven opposition of the New England club circuit. It really wasn't until Layne that he faced a proven live body (or what passed for that in his depleted era). Moses has already faced a world title challenger. I don't think a modern elite international heavy with tons of backing, guidance and publicity being 12-0 means the same thing as some regional circuit scrub taking fights on two weeks' notice having the same record.

    I'd pick Itaumu by a sniper uppercut KO in round 4, assuming he didn't borrow his chin from David Price.
     
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  5. McGrain

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    Yeah, I already said that, and what an interesting fight it would be for them to meet each other early in their careers. That fight might go the way of Moses, not an unreasonable position at all.

    :lol: i mean if you're truly impressed that he's faced Kevin Lerena victim Wach, who met Moses as part of his current 2-6 nightmare, just say so. For me, Wach has been in heavy-bag with eyeballs territory for the whole decade and he hasn't won a meaningful fight since 2020.

    It was a guaranteed very easy win and nobody who follows the fights thought otherwise.

    Of course not, but with no amateur career to speak of I think the people who have picked this guy to beat a stone-cold killer like Marciano should be embarrassed, it's an insane thing to do, the people who think that experience counts for 0 are just as tiresome as the people who think that size counts for 0. Moses might get himself into the type of territory where picking him to canon ATG world cruiserweight champions might come, but the reason he wouldn't be matched with Jai Opetaia right now is that Jai Opetaia would ****ing kill him.

    And so would Rocky.
     
  6. Pat M

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    Come on Seamus, I hope you're just trolling. Mariciano fought guys like Itauma all of the time and had lots of experience with them. Itauma at 6-4.5, 255, faster than a welterweight, and a southpaw would be nothing RM hadn't seen many times before on the New England circuit where "The Rock" cut his teeth against rugged competition. On the other hand, a 5-10, 185, slow, right hander would be new to Itauma. And, don't forget the slick tricks of RM, crossing his rear feet when he moved, falling off balance when he missed a punch to make his opponent over confident, and defensive prowess that was only discovered years later by people breaking down his fights on You Tube with music playing in the background. Itauma will never be able to handle that smoke!

    Seamus, I thought you were a boxing guy but here you're picking an athletic, bigger, stronger, faster guy over a guy who beat Rex Layne, Carmine Vingo, and Don Cockell. Disappointing.
     
  7. mcvey

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    Only on the deck once in his20 fights as an amateur, that was ruled a non KD and he was 14 and his opponent16 and Itauma won.
    The lightest man Itauma has beaten was 220lbs,
    Of the 49 opponents Rocky faced,24 were under 190lbs,17 under 185lbs,and 7, 175lbs or under.
    I hope we are having this conversation,in a year or two's time. Then,if he is still unbeaten and in shape,Itauma,currently 254lbs to Rocky's185./188lbs.might just be a bridge too far for the
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  8. Seamus

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    Sorry, bro. You're right. Thanks for keeping me on leash. Hope I didn't disappoint you too much.
     
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  9. Seamus

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    How much better, bigger, stronger, faster did Marciano get? It's not like he went on to become some polished, finished product. He was still stumbling, bumbling fence swinger in the Moore fight. That's great for the size and age of guys he faced, despite their great skill at times, but how does it fare in even the most polished version (which wasn't very polished) against a guy of Itauma's skill level along with his physical assets. You can bury your head in the sand as deep as you want but sometimes there is just too much man in the ring if skills are adjusted.


    I'm a helluva lot more impressed with any version of Wach than Gilley Ferron, he of the 17 pro fight career, KO'd 9 times. My point was obviously that Marciano had the softest road possible up to his final 14 or so fights, and still got softies (literally) in guys like Cockell, Buonvino and a spent Beshore. For all the purported experience you're trying to impart on the guy, there isn't much "there there". He fought a bunch of ham and eggers for 80% or more of his fights. And the good ones, the names, had no tread left on the tires.



    It's the unsentimental thing to do. The preponderance of Rocky's experience was against guys who were pure filler, mediocre, guys with day jobs, paid losers... Moses ain't coming to play that role. He has ZERO experience with someone like Moses, a winner who is young, giant, gifted and skilled.
     
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  10. Macedoine62

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    Marciano by KO !

    it's not with a knockout against Dempsey Mckean that I see Marciano lose against Moses Itauma. He didn't proof nothing to be legendary like that.
     
  11. cross_trainer

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    Marciano mangles the crusher of internet influencers and keyboard twiddlers. Itauma comes from an era of low-T manlets, filled with soy, preservatives, and shame. To match Itauma against a man fueled by good, old-fashioned organic lasagna is almost cruel. Something, something, child bearing hips.

    Rocky KO 3.
     
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  12. Journeyman92

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    I'd like to add the move Tyson caught Williams with, that little hook off the inside slip is a very quick movement, it never feels like you turn over it all the way when you do it, I doubt Marciano would pull off and take advantage of Car Williams low right hand.
     
  13. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Delusional BUT Determined Full Member

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    Pat you go too far Saint Marciano had a pretty good defence, it was ugly but he did well and Goldman made a helluva fighter, helluva little HW (by todays standards) but around 190lbs that was a machine and I'll die on the hill that he knew his stuff when it came to getting in, fighting in and his defence being quite a bit better then say a Bonavena and Chuvalo type he was "rock" solid overall at fighting short.
     
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  14. BCS8

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    Sad. Wach used to be a dangerous outing ... about 100 years ago. I hope he's stashed away his money.
     
  15. mcvey

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    Only on the deck once as an amateur, that was ruled a non KD and he was 14 and his opponent16 ,and Itauma won.