the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

I didn´t mention Bernardo Checa because like you mentioned his biggest claim to fame was McGuigan´s sparring partner and I believe the trainer of Crisanto España in Ireland. Did see his fight with Victor Callejas, seemed a decent boxer, little power who got crushed in 3. Callejas could bang. Checa´s 5 losses were by ko (never passed 4th round), did get a draw in 1st Esparragoza fight (LKO 2 in return) and a draw with recently dethroned Julian Solis.

I would recommend Esparragoza´s defense over Mitsuru Sugiya, the Japanese challenger was a face first brawler who definately did not deserve his title shot. Nonetheless he bravely throw wild overhand rights at Antonio was beaten to the punch repeatedly, took a lot of punishement but if memory serves me right he did land a big right hand which briefly stunned the champion who came blazing back to ko him.

Also Esparragoza-Montoya was fun, Mexican brawler who like Sugiya was picked to pieces by Esparragoza´s hard counters in 5.

Montoya then travelled to England was stopped in 3 by future champ Paul Hodkinson, took a real pasting from a peak Hodkinson by did drop Hodkinson in 3 round war.

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I wonder,is there any full footage of the Brown vs Escalera fight?

 

Thanks, Fred

 

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Ruben Olivares v Chucho Castillo II (bantamweight title - California scoring of 1 point for a round and 0 points for an even round)

Round 1: Even
Round 2: Olivares
Round 3: Castillo
Round 4: Olivares
Round 5: Olivares
Round 6: Olivares
Round 7: Even
Round 8: Even
Round 9: Castillo
Round 10: Olivares
Round 11: Olivares
Round 12: Castillo
Round 13: Castillo
Round 14: Bout is stopped in favor of Castillo due to a cut on Olivares' eye

Total through 13 completed rounds: 6-4 Olivares (actual scores: 6-6, 6-6 and a 7-6 for Castillo)

To begin, thanks to @Jaymz8604 for posting this. It's about the best version out there. But having said that, believe me, this is not high-def by any means. To tell you what I'm talking about, although I knew the history on this fight, if I was watching without knowledge, I wouldn't have even known Olivares was cut. I mean, there was a lot of attention given to Olivares between rounds 9 and 10 and you might be able to make out a cut in the 14th (maybe) but that's it, too murky. As for the fight, man, I would have loved to have been there. These two were at the height of their powers in this fight. It was amazing that Castillo stood up to what the very sharp Olivares was throwing. Olivares too for that matter, stood his ground from some hellacious counter punches from that looping right hand of Castillo. The last several rounds - probably because of the cut obscuring Olivares vision - was fought in the box toe-to-toe. They just fired everything in their arsenal looking to take the other's head off. This fight would be amazing if seen in high-def.

 

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@scartissue ,if ya haven't seen this yet then it might be perfect for ya,Stecca is the smaller man and seems older here too,but still has more class and skills than that bigger guy whatsoever.

 

Oh, man, they've taken Beach Volleyball in a new direction.

 

They done pitted a world champ with a porn actor.

 

James Toney v Mike McCallum 2

Round 1: Toney 10-9
Round 2: Toney 10-9
Round 3: Toney 10-9
Round 4: McCallum 9-10
Round 5: Toney 10-9
Round 6: McCallum 9-10
Round 7: McCallum 9-10
Round 8: Even 9-9 (point deducted from MM)
Round 9: McCallum 9-10
Round 10: Toney 10-9
Round 11: McCallum 9-10
Round 12: McCallum 9-10

Final score: 114-113 MCCALLUM

 

Scoring an incomplete fight: Louis-Conn 1

I’ve watched the available footage of this historic fight plenty of times and always felt frustrated that we don’t have the complete fight. There are about 17 minutes of action available.

Nevertheless, I thought I would try and score it. I realise that is nigh on impossible but I wondered if I would get to a similar score to the judges based on what I could see.

Given that I had 3 rounds even based mostly on insufficient footage and those even rounds took place in the first half of the fight, there’s a decent chance that Louis might have edged at least a couple of them. That would have taken my card to something in line with two of the judges. My impression is that Conn really started to take the lead over the second half of the fight.


Louis-Conn 1

Round 1 (0:58) Even
Feeling out round. No significant action. Louis stalking, Conn moving. Only eventful moment is Conn losing balance and going to the canvas.

Round 2 (1:50) Louis
Louis more aggressive - landing upstairs and downstairs.

Round 3 (1:14) Conn
Conn catching Louis with some sneaky counters while standing his ground but boxing smartly.

Round 4 (1:12) Even
Conn boxing well but Louis landing some good single shots

Round 5 (1:11) Louis
Similar to the second round - Louis mixing up his attack and working over Conn in close

Round 6 (0:29) Even
Barely any action to judge this round.

Round 7 (1:04) Conn
Tricky to score. Louis landed a couple but Conn looked to be controlling things on the outside

Round 8 (0:46) Conn
Some decent exchanges but Conn looked like he got the better of it

Round 9 (1:00) Conn
Conn putting combinations together and looking confident

Round 10 (1:33) Conn
Close but Conn edged it with his combos

Round 11 (1:02) Conn
Conn landing most of the significant punches

Round 12 (1:32) Conn
Conn dominating the round and staggering Louis

Round 13 (2:58) Louis KO Conn
The only complete round of the fight in terms of footage - Conn goes for the kill after a strong 12th round and pays the price.

My score after 12 rounds:
Louis 2-7 Conn with 3 even

Judges scorecards after 12 complete rounds:

ref: Eddie Joseph 5-7
Bill Healy 6-6
Marty Monroe 4-7

 

I was thinking this comment was about Jake Paul beating Mike Tyson and was like ‘no idea Jake did porn.’

 

That's crazy the whole fight isn't available!

 

Fred, I checked out both these fights tonight. The Hodkinson fight was cool. This really gave the fans a scare and then elation as Hodkinson took out Montoya. Very exciting while it lasted. As for the Esparragoza fight, here is how I saw it:

Antonio Esparragoza v Mitsuru Sugiya (featherweight title)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 AE
Round 3: 10-8 AE (scores a knockdown)
Round 4: 10-9 Sugiya
Round 5: 10-9 AE
Round 6: 10-7 AE (scores 2 knockdowns)
Round 7: 10-9 AE
Round 8: 10-9 Sugiya
Round 9: 10-9 AE
Round 10: Esparragoza drops and stops Sugiya

Total through 9 completed rounds: 88-81 Esparragoza (actual scores: 86-82, 86-82 and 86-84 all for Esparragoza)

To begin, I felt I gave Sugiya credit for everything he did in this fight, but clearly I wasn't as generous as the officials. You are right, Fred, Sugiya didn't deserve this title shot and promptly retired after one more fight. But still, I'll give him credit for bringing it to the champ, which Sugiya's hometown crowd appreciated. Really all he had to offer was haymakers, which garnered him the 4th round on my card with a good attack. But even though it was only a matter of time before the cruel end, it had its moments and I found myself enjoying it while it lasted. Thanks for putting it on my radar, Fred.

 

Glad you enjoyed them. I remember Esparragoza was compared to Arguello both physically and in style in boxing magazines at the time. Good fighter.

Here´s an excellent hl version of his ko´s including Johnny De La Rosa and Eduardo Montoya:

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Roberto Duran vs Carlos Palomino

Carrying on with my Palomino run, but after watching a few Benitez and Duran fights recently, I figured why not.

Duran-Palomino
10 : 9
10 : 9
10 : 9
10 : 9
10 : 9 (50-45)
10 : 8
10 : 9
10 : 9
10 : 9
10 : 9 (100-89)

Just before I get into the cool Duran stuff, I gotta give Carlos his due. What a tough guy, stood there and took what he had to till the end, and kept giving it his best even when it was clear it wasn't good enough. When the punches started flowing freely from Duran, he actually did better instead of crumbling. Love this guy. But with Duran, some of this stuff is absolutely awesome. The knockdown in the 6th was beautiful. Set up with many instances of 1-2s to the body in prior rounds, Duran throws a couple of jabs for the body to open the round and blasts him with the big right hand.

He feinted with the his feet by switching or quickly stepping down, and fents with his knees by changing levels, seemingly loading shots that never come. He feints with head and shoulders, usually after feinting his hands. At 8:50, he threw a four feint combo He conditions Palomino to react to certain set ups to shots by doing this, then pairs two punches he can set up in the same way. Examples would be pairing the body 1-2s with the jab to the body/cross to the head, or at 10:35 where he uses the absence of touch Palomino feels with his head on Duran's left shoulder. Duran pairs the left hook to the body with the right uppercut and uses them together to land them both.

His infighting is of course, brilliant. I noticed here that when he is a bad position up close and has an arm free, he'll usually just shove and reset. At 10:09, he has to recover from missing an underhook a few seconds earlier, and does so by pushing Carlos' shoulder as he throws an uppercut, letting him reset and taking the uppercut's sting. He's great at breaking frames, especially when they're against his arms. He does it at 11:10 to make space for a left hook as Palomino tries to circle around. He used it to physically pull Palomino with him to the ropes, as Duran worked wonders with his back to them. He did it by waiting for Palomino to punch, then getting a strong underhook. He then just pulled on it as he stepped to the ropes.

Just an unbelievable performance.

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