Now that he's officialy retired, where we ratin' Lomachenko h2h at 130?

Big ol’ leap from 15/20 to 50. I haven’t tallied up a top 10-15 at 130 but I doubt Loma would crack it. I’d imagine 15-20 he’d be in the conversation.

EDIT: scratch that. I don’t think he breaks the top 20. Have changed to top 50.

 

I don’t think 130 is that deep in terms of h2h talent. He’s probably at the bottom of the top ten.

 

Just off the top of my head, Floyd, Alexis Chavez, Pac-Man, Nelson, Hector Camacho, Oscar are all ahead of him so I’m say top 10. IMHO.

 

Lomo is tough to evaluate because he left his best days in the amateurs. With that said, he is for sure a top ten talent with the skill/ability to beat anyone but ultimately, he doesn't have the pro career stats that other atg's have.

 

Head to head, I think he has the style to take Whitaker in particular, and De La Hoya unless Oscar can just weight bully him out of the ring.

Otherwise, Chavez, Pac and May would be favored to beat him.

 

Oscar would beat him, even at 130.

I’d also throw in Arguello and Shakur.

 

Whitaker wasn’t at 130.

 

Talent wise he's right up there, resume wise not so much. Amazing technician , just lacked the marquee names.

 

Lomachenko was known as The Matrix for all the wrong reasons.

He wasn’t some enhanced super fighter like Keanu Reeves in the movies — he’s a creation of a simulated reality that has boxing fans convinced they’re seeing one thing when the facts of Loma’s career are completely different.

First off is the idea that he accomplished a helluva lot at 130 when in fact he fought exactly five fights at that weight.

He spent six years and 10 of his 21 fights at lightweight, but people are somehow matrixed into this idea that he was really still a 130-pounder when he clearly settled in at 135. He spent more time and more fights in the lightweight division than in any other in his short career and went 8-2 in that division — not bad considering they were world-class, but hardly legendary.

If he could still make 130, he showed no inclination to do so. In fact, he never demonstrated the ability to do so after he moved up, but the simulated reality narrative was created to explain away his two losses at lightweight as if they should have an asterisk because ‘see, he was fighting bigger men.’

Let’s talk about that and turn our attention to his run at 130.

Of the five fights at super featherweight, two of them — 40% — were vs guys who were never, ever true 130-pounders.

Guillermo Rigondeaux was a career 122-pounder (two divisions below) who only fought at 130 ONCE in his entire career, that being against Loma. He immediately returned to 122 and was a bantamweight by the latter part of his run. A natural 122-pounder who could still make 118 but not a peep about Loma beating up a smaller man when it ‘does’t really count’ when he’s fighting men his own size and weight at 135, a division where he spent a good chunk of his career.

Then there’s Miguel Marringa, a career featherweight who moved up just to fight Loma. The Loma fight was his only meaningful outing at 130, although he moved up to lightweight for one fight and settled at 130 when he was washed (win one here, lose one there).

Jason Sosa and Roman Martinez were legit at 130. Nicholas Waters is kind of a tweener — his draw with Sosa was his only meaningful fight at 130 before facing Loma and other than that he was a featherweight to that point.

So five fights at 130, two of which were against men whose entire careers were at lighter weights (one of whom could still make 118) and one against a guy (Waters) with the barest of credentials at 130.

And we’re supposed to discuss where Loma ranks all-time at 130 pounds. He was there for more than a cup of coffee, but he didn’t stay for lunch or dinner. Nor did he clean out the division during his stopover.

The Matrix is an illusion.

 

Sandy Saddler?

 

Kind of what I was thinking with Chico.

 

I obviously missed the H2H bit in the title. I was rating him based on achievement and resume at the weight.