Imane Khelif vs Claressa Shields would be the biggest fight in womens boxing history!

Light heavyweight versus welterweight? Okay..

 

"Women's boxing history"

Olympic champ Imane Khelif skips Eindhoven event after World Boxing introduces mandatory sex testing

https://apnews.com/article/imane-khelif-sex-test-olympics-eindhoven-61eaa44549854d6a0d33f11b42f91631

Registered on 28th. Sex test rule introduced on the 30th and suddenly Khelif is a no-show. I wonder what all the morons who defended him in the Olympic boxing thread, and bashed the Hungarian female boxer who said Khelif should not fight women have to say now?

 

"women's" boxing lol

 

Imane apparently has XY chromosomes

 

Khelif is NOT trans. Khelif is intersex and is fighting as they were born. This isn’t at all the case of a dude “identifying” as a woman and then competing in women’s sports.

of course, the issue is that due to this, Khelif has more test than women, but less test then men. I have no idea what’s right or proper for Khelif. Unfortunately, the answer is probably “don’t fight”.

but again, to be clear, Khelif isn’t trans. Hate on Khelif for fighting women, have at it. But at least be accurate in what’s going on. Khelif is fighting as they were born.

 

XY chromosomes and high testosterone

End of discussion

 

As I understand it, this isn't entirely correct.

Intersex - yes.

But also aware that he's chromosomally male and therefore that he's dangerous for women to fight as male advantage is real... And he'll have been aware for quite some time that he wasn't developing as the female he'd been told as a young child was what he was - he would never have had a period, for example, because he's not female.

By trying to enter the women's category anyway he's the one creating the problem... And dare I say it, that sounds an awful lot like a dude identifying as a woman and then competing in women's sports, after all, to me?

 

Khelif is a man.

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As my understanding of it was, the birth certificate says female, she looks externally female (albeit a kind of manly looking one), she was raised as a girl. This isn’t a man raised as a man who at age 20 decides “I’m gonna identify as a girl now”. She was raised as a girl, to be a girl.

she’s NOT male. And NOT female. You’re letting the whole trans debate bleed into this when you’re purposely using “he”. Those situations are way more cut and dry than this.

look I’m not defending her. Chances are she shouldn’t be allowed to compete against women, full stop. Chances are she’s an ******* for having done so, full stop. But you’re making this as simple as a trans issue, and it’s far from it because her issue was one she was born with and did not choose in any way.

 

That's broadly my understanding... Except...

The birth certificate erroneously says female.

This is someone raised as a girl when young, who would've become aware of the fact something was wrong as a teenager - medically he'd have been made aware that he wasn't actually a girl.

Wrong - he's male.

He was mistakenly told he was female as a child and didn't adjust when made aware of the error... In a way it's inseparable from trans because you have a male, who knows he's male, identifying as a female and having people claim we should allow him to identify however he likes.

This is more cut and dried than you're giving it credit for, by far, IMHO.

Reality is important...

Calling a biological male with a DSD (which is what he is) a "she" is not reality - it's indulging falsehood exactly as the trans lobby wants you to do... And the reason they want it is to normalise the inclusion of males into female spaces and categories - after all, they're all "she's", right?

He shouldn't be allowed to compete against women - no "chances are" about it.

You can't really take the trans side of things out of this anyway - you have a male, who knows he's male, identifying as female and insisting he should be allowed to compete against women...

 

You are considering an intersex person to be equivalent to a full, normal biological male. That is not the case. This is literally the first thing google says when I ask -- "No, a male with a DSD is not fully equivalent to a "normal" male. DSDs, or differences of sex development, involve variations in sex characteristics that don't fit the typical male or female binary. While the vast majority of individuals with DSD identify with their assigned gender, a small percentage may experience gender nonconformity or dysphoria".

Imane wouldn't have the bone density or muscular density/strength as a normal male. Imaine also would have greater than that of a normal woman. Imane is kind of in between.

I don't understand why you're turning a simple issue -- should Imane be able to fight women -- into a scientifically wrong, medically wrong comparison of an intersex person to a trans person.

 

Not entirely - I'm considering a person with XY chromosomes and 5ARD to be male with complications, which is basically exactly what they are.

It's not some magical twilight zone where anyone caught between typical male and typical female is neither and can take their pick... He's still male.

As I said, he's male with a DSD - he's not a normal male, but he's still a male

There isn't some level of defective (for want of a less offensive term) that makes him qualify as female despite being chromosomally male.

I'm not...

I'm taking the simple fact of science - he's male - and drawing judgement from there... Which is that female sports exist precisely because we're a sexually dimorphic species and women need a protected category to not be excluded completely.

His preferred identity as a woman is the opposite of his biology as a male... Like it or not, that's the definition of trans.

 

No.