Would the Soviet sports machine have taken over boxing had they allowed their Boxers to turn pro?

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  1. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    And? The Soviet Union isn't just Russia
     
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  2. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Fighters from former Soviet republics represent 3 of the top 5 in the current Ring Pound for Pound rankings.

    But thanks for playing.
     
  3. OddR

    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't know about take over but achieve a lot more yes the evidence seems to show that.
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Ukraine and Kazakhstan, are not part of either Russia ,or the Soviet Union.
     
  5. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bro what..... Both were part of the Soviet Union and many Russians still live in both
     
  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Why dont you ask
    Lomachenko
    Golovkin
    Usyk
    The Klits
    What nationality they are?
     
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  7. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If they wanted to they could have. With the large population they had access to, combined with their ability to just implement whatever government plan they wanted, they'd have such an advantage.

    Make boxing a mandatory phys ed course in 5th-6th grade. The instructors look for kids who seem like they may have actual talent, send their names in. Those kids are offered after school lessons at the local gym. The instructors at each gym look for kids among those who seem like they may have actual talent, send their names in. Get what I'm saying? At each stage, look for the best, pass their names on, offer them opportunities. When you're screening your entire male population, you're going to identify talent. You're not going to have your potential Ivan Dragos ending up working in a factory, because they're going to be identified and offered opportunity.
     
  8. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You're pivoting, they were all born in the Soviet Union and are a product of the Soviet school of boxing to deny that is denying objective reality
     
  9. MixedMartialLaw

    MixedMartialLaw Combat sports enthusiast Full Member

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    Ukraine and Kazakhstan were absolutely part of the Soviet Union. Ukraine very famously so, pick up a book.

    Usyk was literally born in the Ukrainian SSR. This whole topic is about the time frame the USSR existed not post collapse.
     
  10. MixedMartialLaw

    MixedMartialLaw Combat sports enthusiast Full Member

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    Lol
     
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  11. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think Cuba would have fared better.
     
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  12. offshoot

    offshoot Member banned Full Member

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    They've been a massive, dominant force since they've been able to turn pro

    Undoubtedly they've have been a massive force had they turned pro sooner

    The greatest amateurs ever list is flooded with Great soviet union fighters. Not all of them would have made great pros, but some of them definitely would have.

    Maybe not 'taken over' but a huge force without a shadow of a doubt, possibly the strongest force. Great fighters from the past would have been split between Soviet and American fighters, and Cuban fighters to a lesser extent because they don't adapt to the pros as well as soviets,
     
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  13. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You are correct. Especially in the 70's,80's and 90's the USA amateur program was very strong and outperformed the Cubans and Soviets. Around the 2000's is when the US program started to falter and we started seeing former Soviet countries like the Ukrane start to really flourish.
     
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  14. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Correct! Ukraine in particular always were the meat and potatoes of the Soviet program. Kazakhstan produced s9me badasses as well with 96's gold medalist Vassily Jirov coming to mind. Jirov and Tzysu were pretty much the last products from the old Soviet system. Jirov was in that program until Kazakhstan became independent.
     
  15. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Were there even any dominant Soviet amateurs back then? If they, who were essentially pros in an amateur format as @mcvey pointed out, couldn't dominate american amateurs, who were just that and rarely older than their late teens/early 20's, why would they dominate pro ones?
     
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