SMW Shootout

No not trolling

1st part
Prime Calzaghe was a big puncher when his hands were not damaged.
The shot, bloated, damaged hands, end of career Calzaghe was able to beat Jones but was at the end of his career and closer to the end of his career than Jones

2nd part
Canelo out pointing Toney.
Toney often had close debatable decisions or close fights - R Johnson, D Tiberi, McCallum, Sosa, S Williams, Griffin. Thadzi
And was in close fights before finding the finish against Nunn and Williams
Why do you feel Canelo wouldn't be able to out point Toney?

3rd part
Eubank out pointing Ward and Canelo.
I'm shocked you can't see it as a possibility.
Eubank has one of the best SMW resumes ever, far greater than those 2 even if not in amount of world titles.
I couldn't fathom either beating a prime in form Eubank.
Many forget that Eubank was fighting almost every month and not letting his body rest. He wasn't taking the right fight at the right time if you know what I mean

 

So do I
It did get very boring having the same discussion about a retired fighter

It's not to the same degree but I notice a similar thing happening with Usyk who is another excellent fighter and if the forum is still in existence 5 years after he retires, expect a similar sort of trend

 

I remember that as well.

And as an ardent fan of the Welshman, I defended him against the misguided and the trolls on here.

And I believe he is the greatest SMW of all-time.

And I believe prime Calzage beats everyone on your list...

...except RJJ.

Prime Roy was on another level.
Calzaghe has said that he couldn't beat a prime Roy.

If you had set up the order of play a bit differently, the final would have been Joe v Roy, with Roy winning and Joe being the runner-up.

 

Calzaghe was still world class when he fought RJJ big difference where as RJJ wasn't world class anymore RJJ never beat a single top 10 ranked fighter again after the loss to Tarver.

And yet Calzaghe never even came close to stopping a shot RJJ who sat on the ropes all night with no offence.

So I don't see Calzaghe stopping a prime RJJ.

Half of those fights you mentioned for Toney were at Light Heavyweight which was historically Toney's worst weight class which has no relevance to his Super Middleweight form.

McCallum is a great ? Johnson was very good ? The Sosa and Williams fights were not that close. Nunn would be one of the best prime opponents Canelo has ever fought and it would be debatable Canelo could even beat Nunn.

Canelo is come forward fighter with slow feet and limited output so what makes you think he would beat a master counter puncher like Toney by a wide points victory ?

What fighter has Canelo fought on the level of Toney where he's beaten them by a wide points win ?

And are we going to forget Canelo's close decisions aswell ?

Eubank has more filler due to his title defences but he didn't fight any of the top American fighters and mostly defended his title against modest opposition after the Watson fight.

I'm also baffled that you think Eubank can beat Canelo but Toney loses by a wide points decision to Canelo ? When pretty much anyone would rate Toney above Eubank on a H2H basis.

And you also don't mention all of Eubanks close decisions he had and quite a few gift decisions aswell Watson 1, Benn 2, Schommer, Close, etc.

Canelo and Ward are a level above anyone Eubank has beaten so yes I do find it hard to believe you're so confident Eubank outpoints both of them.

 

I've battled Bailey for over 13 years.

He'll try and convince you that black is white, and that day is night.

Ha!

I'm glad that he's back.

An ESB legend.

Yes, he MUST be trolling.

 

Prime Roy is a tall order - though if there is anyone with a chance, it's Zags volume and angles and insane workrate.

One things for sure, JC from Lacey vs RJJ that shutout Toney would have been something to see.

No stoppage though, I'd see Roy having built up enough of a lead with maybe a knockdown or two to stem a late rally from Zags to get a UD or maybe SD

 

You didn't state whether PEDs are permitted...

 

Sorry for the late response

Jones was the Ring #6 LHW when Calzaghe fought him, with more wins over the other top 10 LHWs than anyone else at that time

Calzaghe was up in weight, at the end of his career with damaged hands

No not half of them at all
What SMW form are you referring to?

what makes you think Toney would beat Canelo?
Canelo has looked more convincing at the weight imo

Loaded question. I could say the same, the other way around

Well let's look at their SMW resumes...
I will keep it brief
Eubank beat Watson, Rocchigiani, Wharton, Holmes and drew with Benn.
Benn was WBC SMW champ
Rocchigiani was the Undefeated relinquished IBF SMW champ
Eubank beat future WBC SMW champ Malinga
Many of his SMW wins were over top 10 comp
Below is mostly someone else's post
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Toney was fighting at, when SMW champ

1993 he wins the title from iran barkley a fighter who years earlier was blown away by nigel benn in 1 round and pummelled to a loss by a shot roberto duran barkley went onto lose 11 out of 25 fights following this fight and never beat anyone who was remotely good in doing so,the guy was so desperate he was even plying his trade as a HW in the late 90's against the likes of berbick and they say this era is a joke

govonor chambers a guy with a career record of 9 wins 7 losses, all 3 fights prior to toney were ko losses!

ricky thomas: won 11 lost 14,the 4 fights he had prior to toney all losses!

glenn thomas:won 29 lost 8, lost to roy jones prior to toney and finished his career with a first round ko loss to jeff lacy.

danny garcia: won 30 lost 22, was coming off losses to chris pyatt (a steve collins victim) lamar parks etc

larry prather: won 19 lost 24,lost his last 5 fights prior to the toney fight even losing to nicky piper

tony thornton: won 37 lost 7,lost to chris eubank a year earlier.

anthony hembrick: won 31 lost 8,lost to maske prior to toney and orlin norris a year earlier.

tim littles: won 27 lost 3,maybe one of his better wins,had fought mainly bums with the exception of a close UD over frankie liles,went onto lose to frankie liles in a 2nd contest following the toney fight.

vinsom durham: won 21 lost 37 enough said.

charles williams: won 37 lost 7 drew 3,lost to maske prior to toney.
(this post was improvised from ESB great Silencer, on one of his great threads)

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Whilst Benn and Eubank were preparing to rematch in and of the biggest SMW title fights at the time and unification, Toney was fighting Prather

You speak for most?
Just look at the level they were both fighting at, at SMW

 

Trolling?
Why would you write that?
At what point has there been any trolling?

 

The Jones fanboys have united on this thread lol

Jones has the worst chin of everybody on the list.

 

No i speak for the man himself who admitted he couldn't beat Toney who probably has a better understanding of how he matches up vs Toney than you do.

Quote below from Eubank himself.

"I boxed because I wanted respect from my brothers. I was intelligent, so James Toney, if he came into my purview, if he was a number 1 contender for my title I would then have to fight him. Because he was a champion in his own right he was never a contender.

I wasn’t going to unify against him because I don’t see how I could beat him. I’m glad that Nigel Benn was my advisory, that he was the one, I’m glad it wasn’t James Toney. I wouldn’t have dodged them but I couldn’t see a way to beat James Toney, you can’t beat guys like that, you just can’t beat them.”