Toney v Golovkin At Middleweight

I guess Loudon can't comprehend a person who puts values over money.

Oh poor Toney!

He couldn't beat a long line of pudding opponents lined up especially for him.

That one guy, OMG, he was so tough and tricky! Whatsisname, Sandy something?

OK, sure, he was in the middle of a 7 fight losing streak, but still. It's Toney who was tired when he faced Sanderline Williams. Sanderline on the other hand, was coming off back to back fights with Sosa, Johnson and Nigel frickin Benn, but HE gets no excuses. That must have been an uber version of Sanderline, just for that one night. Toney had been fighting mattresses for three months in a row! OMG, how could anybody come off fighting 15-12 Ricardo Bryant ( ) and have a good show. Surely tis impossible.

Over a thousand rounds? Absolutely I can.

Sorry man, I just need to know whether 1-0 Jose Luis Estevan was a world level opponent? How about Carlos Silva (debut)? Because if these are (according to you) then we may need to nail down the definition of "world level opponent". YOUR intellect I find amusing.

Wow, you'd think he could beat Sanderline Williams on the first try then.

Golovkin also sparred hundreds of rounds and I'd absolutely guarantee he'd get the W over Williams.

As we have established, in Reggie's case that is incorrect.

On the other hand, Nunn was good, which is why he fed Toney as many knuckle sandwiches as he could eat. Unfortunately for Nunn, Toney could eat quite a lot of knuckle sandwiches, and every other sort of sandwich besides. If Nunn had done a couple of laps around his garden every night, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Oh noes, Sideshow Bob thinks I'm an ignoramus! How shall I ever proceed with my life?

WOW COOL STORY BRO!!!!

Have you ever thought about becoming a writer?

Yes.

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Wait a second. Are you seriously cherrypicking a fighter's lowest moments after all the wailing and gnashing of teeth that you put up after I mentioned Tiberi? Surely not!

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite

Yeah, and Golovkin was knocking the stuffing out of everybody until he got old, too. Given your voluminous and tearful screeds about context, maybe it would be good for you to, um, use it yourself.

Canelo, much like Toney at 160, was a weight bully for much of his career. If we have to use your holy grail, the ultimate standard that you aspire to, namely, CONTEXT, then we should bear in mind that Canelo was already severely dried out at 154 and Floyd dragged him down even further in weight to drain the life out of him. Furthermore, Canelo was also not prime at that time, going up against a nasty stylistic matchup. Therefore if we apply CONTEXT, it becomes apparent why Canelo had a hard time.

Sure.

Argue with @shadow111 if you feel so inclined.

I don't like Canelo. But his accomplishments speak for themselves.

He knocked them both down and won 2 UDs. Try and understand THAT, as limited as your reasoning faculties may be.

Ah, the rich, salty tears.

Dominant champions always make a division look like garbage. People can't believe what they are seeing. Meanwhile if there are 3-4 guys beating the stuffing out of each other like in Toney's time, the division seems competitive and exciting and "good". King Golovkin ruled with an iron hand, while Toney went life and death with old fighters and Sanderline Williams.

Nope.

Nope.

At his best, Toney drew with and lost to B and C level fighters.

Fixed it. No thanks needed.

 

**** me, 100 pages of this **** wasn't enough for you all?

 

We’re just waiting for Rooster to get out of the asylum.

Maybe he could trade places with BCS8.

 

Nope.

I STORMED NORMANDY!!!

 

lol

 

Still think Toney beats the brakes off GGG at 168lbs but this post has some hurtful truths and is pretty funny.

 

@BCS8 I think it’s more accurate to say Toney was a “weight victim” ? He was “Weight bullied”? Seeing as the scales beat the tar out of worse then Roy Jones Jnr could ever hope to.

 

There is some merit to the argument that Toney probably should not have been a middleweight in the first place. I think that he had problems in maintaining a disciplined lifestyle and that middleweight was at the limit of what he could cut weight to and still function. So yeah, when the weight cut went well he had an advantage in the ring. When it went badly, he underperformed. At least that is my opinion.

 

I agree note worthy is his early days fight frequency - sometimes the scales worked for him, other times against him as you note. Toney’s team had James fight so often to keep the weight down. JT never belonged at 160lbs he was a natural 185-190lbs guy in his prime. In 91 before Tiberi he fought Nunn, Reggie, McCallum and Sosa I think he was weak, the floundering on the ropes he sometimes did a poster who knows more then I will ever said it had a lot to do with being constantly drained, that at one time he was doing the stair master for an hour after training.
JT’s regiment early on was some of the most insane stuff I’ve ever read of, I don’t blame him for binge eating and going crazy when he cut loose from Miller he was a starving football player trapped in a skinny body lol JT after he split just lifted weights and hopped in the ring everyday…
But that regiment, doubt it if you want as a Marciano like story but supposedly Toney was lifting weights, running daily and doing 5minute rounds when he sparred (Mon-Sun) I believe it was somewhere near 20-30 rounds with about 30 second rests… shark tanks mixed in, thermostats on high (like at Kronk) 14 days on one off… I won’t say much more but people have confirmed aspects of this for me. Toney was monstrous, genuinely a freak.

 

This is a plausible outcome.For myself I really can't decide on a winner. Toney was a huge talent, but GGG could negate a lot of that by work rate.Either way ,it's an intruiging match up.

 

You know, recently I was looking over GGG's career and came to the same conclusion.

 

I don’t think that he’d have beaten the brakes of him.

And I’d have preferred the fight at MW.

It would have been great though.


Regarding the post by BCS8, I don’t know what’s truthful or funny about it.

He gave me absolutely nothing to reply to.

It’s just sarcasm and deflection.


But it’s my fault for expecting more.

I should have known better.