Sunday Services with the ghost of Bert Sugar. Tonights episode - Joe Frazier

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  1. Dementia Pugulistica

    Dementia Pugulistica Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Y'ALL MUSTA FORGOT!

    Listen up, kid—put down your phone, close that fantasy boxing forum, and wipe the Cheeto dust off your keyboard. Y’all musta forgot about Joe Frazier. Yeah, that’s right—Smokin’ Joe, the Philadelphia fireplug with a left hook meaner than your landlord on the first of the month. If you think you know greatness and you’re out here calling Frazier a cruiserweight, you’ve been hit in the head more times than a speed bag at Gleason’s Gym. So sit back, let me light up my imaginary cigar, and tell you why Joe Frazier is the real deal, the genuine article, the guy who made legends sweat and the rest wish they’d taken up chess.

    Joe Frazier: The Philly Fireplug
    Let’s start with the basics. Modern folks like to say Frazier would be a cruiserweight today, as if that’s some kind of insult. That’s like saying a stick of dynamite’s too small to blow up a building. Joe Frazier at 202 pounds was denser than your uncle’s fruitcake and twice as hard to digest. He was built for destruction, not for Instagram. When he stepped into the ring, he brought more than fists—he brought Philly grit, a chip on his shoulder the size of the Liberty Bell, and a left hook that could knock the taste out of your mouth and make you forget your own phone password.

    The Resume: More Stacked Than a Vegas Buffet
    Let’s talk about the man’s record, because the peanut gallery loves to chirp about “elites.” Frazier didn’t just beat elites—he made them wish they’d taken up tap dancing. He beat Muhammad Ali when Ali was undefeated and talking more than a late-night infomercial. He battered Jimmy Ellis, the WBA champ, and turned Jerry Quarry into a walking advertisement for ice packs. He took Oscar Bonavena’s best shots—twice in one round—and came back to win. He knocked out Buster Mathis, the man who kept him out of the Olympics, and sent Bob Foster, the light heavyweight king, to dreamland with a left hook that should’ve come with a warning label.

    Ali called him the toughest man he ever fought. Foreman said he was the bravest. The rest just called him “Sir” and hoped he didn’t hear them.

    The Style: The Human Locomotive
    Let’s talk style, because if you want to understand Frazier, you’ve got to understand what it means to be a swarmer. Joe wasn’t a boxer—he was a one-man demolition crew. He didn’t dance, he didn’t prance, and he didn’t jab from the outside like he was afraid to get his hair mussed. He came forward, head bobbing like a cork in a hurricane, slipping shots and digging to the body like he was mining for gold. He’d get inside your kitchen, rearrange the furniture, and then serve you a left hook for dessert.

    His defense? Head movement so slick it made opponents miss by a zip code. His offense? Relentless pressure, body shots that turned six-packs into applesauce, and a left hook that could knock the chrome off a Cadillac. He was the original “pressure fighter,” the guy who made you fight every second of every round. You could run, but you couldn’t hide—not from Smokin’ Joe.

    The Heart: Tougher Than a Two-Dollar Steak
    Frazier didn’t just have skills—he had heart. The kind of heart you can’t buy, borrow, or fake. He fought Ali three times, going to hell and back in Manila, and never took a backward step. He got knocked down by Foreman six times, and kept getting up, just to show he could. He fought through pain, through cuts, through the kind of punishment that would make a lesser man quit and a modern influencer call for their agent. He was the guy you wanted in your foxhole, because you knew he’d never leave you behind.

    Comparing Styles: Frazier vs. Usyk
    Now, let’s bring this into the modern era, because I know you kids love your “pound-for-pound” debates and fantasy matchups. Oleksandr Usyk—slick, southpaw, moves like a rumor and hits like a tax bill. He’s got the footwork of a ballet dancer and the ring IQ of a chess grandmaster. He’s made heavyweights look like they’re fighting in quicksand, and he’s got enough stamina to run a marathon backwards.

    But here’s the thing: Usyk’s never faced a swarmer like Frazier. He’s never had a guy in his chest all night, breathing down his neck like a bad credit score, digging to the ribs and making him pay for every inch of canvas. Usyk wants space, angles, and time. Frazier doesn’t give you any of that—he turns the ring into a closet and the fight into a mugging.

    How Frazier Beats Usyk: The Blueprint
    So, how does Joe Frazier beat Usyk? Simple—by being Joe Frazier. He cuts off the ring, moves his head, slips the jab, and gets inside. He works the body like he’s tenderizing steak, makes Usyk’s legs turn to linguine, and lands that left hook every time Usyk tries to pivot out. Usyk’s a southpaw, sure, but that just means his chin is lined up for the left hook—the same punch that dropped Ali and sent Foster to the moon.

    Frazier doesn’t try to outbox Usyk. He drags him into deep water, makes him fight at a pace he’s never seen, and turns the sweet science into a street fight. By round six, Usyk’s footwork is gone, his body’s aching, and his hands are dropping. By round ten, he’s praying for the final bell.

    The Cruiserweight Myth: Size Ain’t Everything
    Now, I can hear you already: “But Bert, Frazier’s just a cruiserweight in today’s game!” Listen, kid, if you think size is all that matters, you’ve never been hit by a left hook from Smokin’ Joe. He fought in an era when heavyweights were real men, not bodybuilders with Twitter accounts. He beat bigger men, stronger men, and faster men—not because he was the biggest, but because he was the best.

    Usyk’s got size, sure, but Frazier’s got the kind of pressure that makes size irrelevant. He’s the guy who turns giants into jelly and makes technicians look like amateurs. If you want to talk size, go watch basketball. In boxing, it’s not the size of the dog in the fight—it’s the size of the fight in the dog.

    The Legacy: Why Frazier Is Great
    So why is Joe Frazier great? Because he was the original pressure cooker, the man who made legends sweat, and the fighter who never gave an inch. He fought everyone, everywhere, every time. He didn’t duck, didn’t dodge, and didn’t dance—he just fought. He was the guy who made the sport better by being in it, and the guy who made everyone else look over their shoulder.

    He’s not just a great heavyweight—he’s the standard by which all pressure fighters are measured. He’s the guy you show your kids when they ask what toughness looks like, and the guy you remember when you need to dig deep.

    Final Bell: Frazier vs. Usyk—The Prediction
    So, in the end, how does it go? Frazier vs. Usyk? I’ll tell you, kid—Frazier gets inside, makes it ugly, and breaks Usyk down. Usyk might win a few early rounds, dancing and jabbing, but by the halfway mark, he’s running out of gas and running out of room. Frazier’s left hook finds a home, and Usyk finds the canvas. Maybe he gets up, maybe he doesn’t—but either way, he knows he’s been in with greatness.

    So next time someone tells you Frazier’s just a cruiserweight, tell them to lace up and step in the ring. Until then, remember: Smokin’ Joe was greatness personified, and no amount of modern revisionism can change that. Y’all musta forgot. Now go outside and throw a left hook—just don’t blame me if you throw your back out.
     
  2. Twilson51

    Twilson51 New Member Full Member

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    No one else seems to get it nice post keep it up :ggg
     
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  3. Spreadeagle

    Spreadeagle Active Member Full Member

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    Excellent analysis !
     
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  4. newurban99

    newurban99 Active Member Full Member

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    I agree in a simpler, more understated way.
     
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  5. Hannibal Barca

    Hannibal Barca Active Member Full Member

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    Looking forward to Uncle Bert's next installment !
     
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  6. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Brilliant stuff Bert!