Can James Toney go through Wilder's title reign?

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  1. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

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    ???
     
  2. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Even at his best, there's still luck.

    Ortiz, Arreola and even after-a-bender Fury could potentially beat him, as others mentioned. He has a decent shot at pulling it off, but not as much as Wilder did.
     
  3. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Toney at his best against Holyfield and Booker had two guys who came straight to him. Put him in with someone who can jab and show basic lateral movement, and he magically becomes levels worse.

    Ortiz and Fury both make him look stupid. Toney would probably stop trying to win and just try to last the distance.

    Stiverne showed a really nice jab in the first Arreola fight. If he could get the jab doing, there’s no reason why he couldn’t do at least as well Rahman in the first fight.

    Washington wasn’t very good, but if he stuck to a poor man’s Lewis impersonation it might give Toney a lot of problems. My guess is that Toney would edge it in a really ugly fight. Same thing for Breazeale basically.

    Szpilka would make it a very good fight until walking into something big and getting stopped.

    Arreola would go to war and lose a decision.

    Duhaupas would probably turn into a punching bag.

    Molina would get taken apart.
     
  4. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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    Toney DOES NOT BEAT FOREMAN!!!!!
     
  5. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 MONZON VS HAGLER 2025 Full Member

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    Refute it, you know where to find the thread / post I’ve made things very clear and had 0 credible arguments against it, just a whole lot of “nah bro” “it’s obvious” etc make a good post and we can debate it.
     
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  6. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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    I gave you an AI response cuz i was lazy and you are yet to refute it

    Skynet WON, Foreman WINS
     
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  7. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 MONZON VS HAGLER 2025 Full Member

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    Nah I’m not arguing with a bot
     
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  8. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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    Ducked, Foreman Wins
     
  9. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Internet virgin Full Member

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    Correct.
     
  10. Mark Anthony

    Mark Anthony Internet virgin Full Member

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    Toney never beat a fighter with a jab as good and as long as Foreman`s.
     
  11. Rubber Glove Sandwich

    Rubber Glove Sandwich A lot of people have pools Full Member

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    If you're gonna fight with @Journeyman92 about this topic, please do so on the thread he made about it and not this one. Thanks!
     
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  12. BCS8

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    Yeah I think so too. And even guys like Szpilka who were decent boxers although lighter in weight might have their chances at outworking Toney.
     
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  13. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    SKYNET can also generate point by point arguments that Napoleon Bonaparte KO's Ali, that Foreman was 2 feet tall, and that Ken Norton was an alien rabbit.

    This does not mean, however, that we should spend time arguing these points with it. Unless you're into that kind of thing.
     
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  14. Mandela2039

    Mandela2039 Philippians 2:10-11 Full Member

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    I told it to evaluate the points made and generate an unbiased response to wether Toney wins or loses

    He in fact, does not beat Foreman

    Also it's common sense
     
  15. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    It doesn't really think, though. It generates content. Telling it to be unbiased doesn't solve the problem. And if we start going down that road, @Journeyman92 can just ask a bot to generate his own rebuttals. Followed by your counter-rebuttals, etc.

    I've successfully argued bots into accepting all sorts of bizarre things. I'm sure others have had the same experience.

    When I read the forum, I want to see what the humans using it actually think.