McCllenan and Lacy............Overhyped Amercians Coming To British Shores

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  1. ThePlugInBabies

    ThePlugInBabies ♪ ♫ Full Member

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    this is totally irrelevant. the g-man drained a **** load of weight to get down there and as far as i'm aware always drastically outweighed his opponent on fight night, benn included.
     
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  2. ThePlugInBabies

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    nail on ****ing head.
     
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  3. southpawslick

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    Because Americans totally dominated the fight game for most of the 20th century. That was because Europe was recovering and rebuilding after two major world wars and a lot of people didn't have leisure for sports. Also boxing was not a big part of the sports culture in Europe, being dwarfed by football (soccer). So Americans totally dominated but they were pretty much the majority of those competing. this led to the view that Americans are just superior to everyone else and only recently are the stereotypes starting to change. Lacy was destroying American competition therefore a lot of the boxing media figured he was leagues above mere foreign competition. Like it or not its gonna take a while before the stereotype of the superior American athlete is replaced with a more balanced view.
     
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  4. JonOli

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    No its not totally irrelevant McClellan fought pretty much his whole career at middle weight. It's not totally irrelevant at all.
     
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  5. ThePlugInBabies

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    so just how did it impact him and his performance?
     
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  6. JonOli

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    I didn't say it did, but surly every fighter moving up in weight is going to experience some difference. He may have even been better at the weight who knows... I just made the point that it was his first real outing at the weight; which is a fact.
     
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  7. BENNY BLANCO

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    This thread topis kind of tasteless because of the mentioning of the McClellan-Benn fight being mentioned. Bringing up the Calzhaghe-Hopkins fight is laughable when Joe looked like an amatuer in the early rounds and got KD. I always thought Flint was a good poster that perception has changed for me now.
     
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  8. lefty

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    Who the **** is mcllenan? You dumb****. Completely ridiculous comparison, im not american either.
     
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  9. Fighting Weight

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    Bad losers? I refer you to Minter V Hagler.

    Watch that fight, then you'll see who the REAL bad losers are. I didn't see riots in the USA when our guys went over there and won.

    This whole thread makes me feel ashamed, in many ways :nono
     
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  10. FLINT ISLAND

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    people are missing the point

    this is not to gloat about the aftermath of the Benn - McCllelnan fight

    what happened to Gerald McCllelnan was tragic

    but before the fight all the hype was Gerald doing all the damage

    and disgracefully - he said he was going to KILL Benn

    and he said he came within a inch of knocking out Nigel Benns father Dennis.

    Gerald McCllenan represented the arrogance and superioty complex alot of the Yanks had

    and Lacy is not a ridicilous comparsion because it was the similiar story when he came over to Britiain he was expected to blow away one of Britians finest fighters - based on what???? - sheer hype - he was taken to school and hammered - Lacy was CRAP compared to Calzaghe
     
    FLINT ISLAND, Aug 22, 2008
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  11. FLINT ISLAND

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    I'm sorry you feel this way.

    But I cant ignore this fight and pretend it never happened.

    To me Benn-McCllenan was the most memorable fight on British shores in the last 15 years

    what do you expect me to do?

    never mention the fight because it had a tragic outcome????? - thats ridicoulous

    Michael Watson was put in a wheel Chair by Chris Eubank - but Watson is now friends with Eubank and built himself back up to compete in the London Marathon - he didnt pretend like it never happened.

    But I am not gloating about what happened to Gearld McCllenan

    Nigel Benn himself is very remorseful of what happened to Gerald

    And a fund raiser in Britain was put on to help raise funds for Gerald McCllenan.

    But to ignore the hype before the fight would just be lying to myself

    I remeber Gerald saying he was going to seriously damage Benn

    a disgusting thing to say - he wanted to permantely damage Benn

    I'm sure Benn in contrast never intended to seriously damage McCllenan like he did.

    I'm focusing on all the hype before the fight

    and the Hopkins fight - was not meant to be part of this topic - I dont know why I mentioned that to be honest

    but the Lacy coming over to Britain was a simliar story and all the hype he brought

    the next Mike Tyson

    monster

    Calzaghe is gonna get killed

    etc
    etc
     
    FLINT ISLAND, Aug 23, 2008
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  12. FLINT ISLAND

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    I agree British fans brought shame on themsleves

    Same way many English Fans bring shame on themsleves in Football Hooliganism

    bunch of scumbags

    thats more though just a bunch of hooligans looking for trouble

    I'm not talking about violence and disruption at events by people who are only out to cause trouble

    I'm talking about the attiutdtes and mentality of people in the sport
     
    FLINT ISLAND, Aug 23, 2008
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  13. FLINT ISLAND

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    I'm not amercian either you say

    what the **** you telling me for?

    I'm not interested in what you are

    you got nothing decent to say so why would I give a **** about you
     
    FLINT ISLAND, Aug 23, 2008
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  14. FLINT ISLAND

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    Good post:good

    This is exactly what I was getting at

    Hype over substance

    the arrogance of Americans - think that nothing exists outside their own country

    because Joe Calzaghe had never fought in America he was regarded as nothing

    so America sent their new Sensation over in Lacy and they found out the hard way - fighters - dont have to make it in America to be good.

    Lacy was destroyed.
     
    FLINT ISLAND, Aug 23, 2008
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  15. FLINT ISLAND

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    McCllenan was very big for a middleweight
     
    FLINT ISLAND, Aug 23, 2008
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