Is it inevitable that Usyk will be considered the H2H GOAT in boxing history

What evolution was there in the 30 years between Byrd and Ali?

 

Less then 30 years between Tommy Burns and Joe Louis... GC BUDDY have you ever seen anyone as slick as Byrd in Alis scalp collection? What about Byrd’s X factor here - who was the best Southpaw MA fought? Who was the most skilled boxer? Young (lost 1/3 of the time) (robbery) is the closest… Ali specialised in beating up the “big” (small today) dummies like GF (around the same size as Byrd) Liston (smaller…) Lyle (similar sized) and robbing Norton who was no great boxer (Ask LeDoux , Shavers and Garcia)… boxing evolves lineally why do you think the more modern guys like Berbick, Spinks and Holmes beat Ali so easily?

 

This was an outstanding bait. Kudos!

 

Louis inside the distance

 

Usyk has walked through the cruiserweight and heavyweight divisions and is still undefeated, he is not a fighter who will have some unfortunate defeat against a fighter below his level, Usyk is the best ever and that should be accepted...

 

Yeah...

150 Years of Boxing X 100's of Greats, where he would easly fall below... even among 'some' S-HW's, nevermind HW's.

 

I'm shaking my head reading this thread. I agree with Thistle. Good fighter, nothing special. Maybe he's the best out there now, but that isn't nearly enough to elevate him above the real, proven greats.

 

Did Byrd play with Ibeabuchi?

 

Agree, no doubt in my mind.

 

At last, sanity!

 

And Wlad, let's not forget about Wlad. He dominated Byrd twice, outclassed him. Maybe Ike too?

By the way, that's quite an interesting domination. He won with great difficulty against two past prime champions, one of whom for a dozen or so months before Usyk won only one fight with difficulty, fighting for his life against an old, inactive, returning from injury and debuting in boxing MMA fighter. This is not the golden era of HW and Usyk did not dominate it. He is great, he is wonderful but not that great.

 

Disagree 100%

 

This Forum has gone to ****...how you figure that the so called "fighters" of today....huffing and puffing after a few rounds of "action"...are going to beat some of the all time great warriors in boxing history is beyond me...stunning!

 

Chisora matched Frazier in a punch count, Rahman against Toney almost set a HW record and Kabayal just killed Zhang with body volume… there are fit fighters out there.

 

I’d like to see him make a thread where he talks about how Ali would beat Usyk instead, a breakdown, a tactic, idea, gameplan or flaw he sees anything… Schmeling undid Louis with a few key insights, a dedicated forum could do wonders if we tried to find how to best Usyk… Say what you will about my Toney vs Foreman thread I’m positive someone even if it was some 12 year old lurker who likes Jake Paul who we will never chat to came away amused and a teeny bit educated by “something” someone was discussing for Foreman or against.