Wilder

Only needed to watch 1 round of the Joey 12 fight to see he is an old journeyman after the Fury Trilogy.

Wilder is 10 times worse than the Toe Haye comeback version - the body looks good but it is simply not there anymore.

Absolutely nothing left to offer in the ring now and no doubt Joshua, Whyte and War Chisora will be forming an orderly queue to fight him.

 

Wilder’s fight last night was grim. Seven rounds to drop a tomato can? Prime Wilder flattens that in one or two rounds. The Fury trilogy—especially that brutal third fight—emptied his tank. Truth is, he left everything in the ring against Fury in fight three — all heart, no quit, but he took punishment that night most fighters don’t come back from. Add-in the inactivity, and there’s nothing left.

Helenius was a mirage, not a revival. Last night proved it: timing’s gone, power’s faded, aura’s shot. He’s banked millions—another paycheck isn’t worth the CTE risk. You can’t spend money from a wheelchair.

Boxers see Ali’s slurred speech, the long fades, the dignity stolen punch by punch. Yet they keep going, convinced they’re the exception. They rarely are. Wilder won’t be the last. Look at the Allen vs. Joey12 talk—Joey’s no one-punch killer, but he’s durable, grinds you over 12, and that’s the kind of fight that leaves scars you don’t see for years.

Some fights don’t take your belt. They take your future. Walk away, Deontay, or find a level where your health isn’t on the line.

 

I was talking to Billy Graham today and he thought Wilder looked great. Incredible how anyone could think that.

 

He must have sank a few pints before he watched it!!

 

I just made a thread about this. There are two completely different things going on.

1) He's shotter than shot. The right hand timing/power is gone, which means he is finished.

2) He actually did some of the things that might have made him successful if he were a younger man. He committed to the jab in most of the rounds, and mixed in enough quality hooks to keep his opponent honest.

Also, he was active.

It is a shame that he is starting to learn the game at 39 years old.

But let's not go too far...there was still some comical windmilling in there, too!

 

Always had an eye for talent, to be fair — is he still Ellie Scotney’s biggest fan?

Billy’s a good guy. One of the first to take strength and conditioning seriously — brought Kerry Kayes into Team Hatton before it was the norm. I remember him saying on a podcast they had Ricky drop over 12 stone across three fights in 14 months. Madness. Different era, but the man knew how to get a fighter ready.

 

"I wanted to display more. Taking my time to be able to set up my shot and become more than my right hand. I want to become a complete, all-round fighter," Wilder said post-fight

 

Bit late for that.

 

This isn't gonna end well for Wilder (apart from his bank account).

He's beyond shot. Does he even beat Dave Allen now?

 

Wilder is doing the opposite of Rocky. When Rocky got old he purposefully forgot everything else but "blunt force trauma". Wilder is forgetting the blunt force trauma and is instead learning to box.

 

I honestly hope that he gets the fight against Joshua, and...well..I want Joshua to win, but I hope Wilder does well in a fight that makes both men look good.

Nice observation, there.

 

A fight that means nothing now and should have only happened about 7 years ago.

AJ wins now because he's less washed that Wilder.

 

And yet it will still sell.

 

It can sell all it wants, Jake Paul sells, but we all know the fight means nothing now. Both had their chance to fight for undisputed in 2018 and both teams botched it, and both of their careers have gone nowhere since.