Deontay Wilder: Analysing his first step up fight

Teddy Atlas - "Wilder can't fight, can't fight, he never learned how to fight", "he hasn't learned the basics".

He said this among acknowledging his great power, heart, natural ability etc. Loads of people were saying the above here many many years ago. He survived on matchmaking, immense power in the right hand and heart.

 

Didn’t his trainer say something like Wilder isn’t even where he was at 10 years old? - tall Kronk fighter, Olympian, I can’t remember his name.

 

I never got the whole ‘Ortiz is 100 years old’ yet all the other guys ran like cockroaches when the lights come on rather than face him.

Dude could box and had heavy hands. I don’t care how old he looked. Joe Walcott was old, too.

Getting outboxed then KTFO someone > Outboxing someone then getting KTFO

A KO is a decisive way to win. You can’t win that way in basketball or baseball or soccer … one thing happens and no matter what happened before it, you win instantly. Too much imo is made of saying a guy was behind on the cards when he was stopped — so what? If anything, it’s a credit to someone coming from behind to win decisively.

 

I am to this day absolutely astonished at how terrible and undeveloped Deontay Wilder's fundamental skills are as a professional ... He is an all time one trick pony .. now that he is slower and the right has become more avoidable than ever he is painful to watch ... I have to give credit where it's due as he did give Fury many scary moments, always had terrific self confidence and the heart of a warrior but I don't know if that reflects on Fury being overrated or not ... Again, I do respect Deontay's heart and that sneaky , nasty right hand.

 

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/lets-be-honest-wilder-is-flat-out-garbage.546779/

 

You were on top of it 10 years ago, nice. The trouble for Wilder is that he didn't really improve. Immense potential but not much development unfortunately.

 

Wilder had a powerful right hand and, over time, he developed some skill in finding ways to land it. Which is to be expected; he was a logical thoughtful man looking for ways to be successful at his trade.
But his trainers failed him, and this is why and how.
Wilder, given his size and frame, had natural right hand power. I would bet everything I own that his trainers took the attitude that "he has pure power in his right hand" and used that as an excuse to not teach him anything. Because they didn't want to take away what he had naturally. You end up with a guy that is 6'7" tall and has a jab that is really nothing. He didn't know how to finish beyond throwing a lot of punches. He couldn't fight in close and he couldn't go to the body. He became entirely one dimensional and, when somebody took his right hand, he ran out of ideas.
It should have been done differently, and this is how.
If I had Wilder from the start, after I saw him spar, we would not talk about his right hand again. We would talk about how to use his jab- picking it up from his hip, throwing it from his shoulder, how to align his feet to get different results from the jab. We would spend one round a day showing how all those things tied back to making his right hand work.
It is physically impossible to move enough to keep a guy off of you and the jab isn't enough so I would teach him an inside uppercut and an uppercut to the body, both from the right side. Given his height, a left uppercut would work well for him; just jab, a short jab, to draw a jab then counter it. We would work on a jab, wave the right hand then hook to the body.
Everything we did would be broken down in detail- exactly how your feet move and where your body weight is at all times. With his height and reach, he never needed to make elaborate moves to preserve space or to get angles. It would literally be a matter of moving inches. You keep tying it back to his right hand but, in the process, he develops a really good hook and uppercuts because of the emphasis on the footwork and the weight shifts.

 

Ortiz landed ONE good counter and that was it. For a 'master boxer' that's pretty bad.
The whole idea of Ortiz being better because he won all these rounds is not understanding that Wilder was just going for the KO and Ortiz was doing very little 'winning' these rounds, landing nothing significant. He wasn't beating Wilder up.
Ortiz had one good moment the whole fight and still couldn't stop Wilder. Wilder got helped by the ref but still Ortiz should have been able to stop him if he was such a great boxer, he just couldn't land finishing shots.
Wilder also got another uncalled KD very early that Ortiz pretended was a slip near the ropes but was badly hurt.
Every time Wilder landed he staggered Ortiz and he landed pretty easily actually.
It was actually one-sided when you look at how many times Wilder hurt Ortiz in this fight.

 

Mark Breland.

 

Who exactly ran from him? He was 2016's version of Bakole. Hyped up as a boogeyman, but nothing special. Ultimately, he was a WBA mandatory, but messed up by being caught on PEDs and lost this status. He was also offered a fight with AJ in 2019, but declined. That's how he was avoided, lol.

 

@NoNeck you usually know this stuff

 

Wilder is a Glass Jawed Fighter who had a very carefully crafted coddled career up until the first Fury fight. Wilder has no Chin. None.

 

Hearn steered Whyte and Joshua away from him, at one point signing him and keeping him away from any big fights.

The supposed offer in 2019 to fight Joshua is irrelevant. Ortiz was already in line to fight Wilder for a hefty payday a few months later, but the fight hadn’t been announced yet.

And the champion who I haven’t mentioned yet, Parker, was busy fighting complete crap until cashing out against Joshua.