Could Mayweather have won a title at 160?

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  1. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member Full Member

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    Yeah, against Cotto or the version of Martinez that miguel ended up fighting.
     
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  2. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Of course, he would.

    Floyd Mayweather beat future middleweight champs Canelo and Cotto easily.

    And had the Mayweather who fought Victor Ortiz in 2011 fought the same Golovkin who struggled mightily to beat Kassim Ouma that year, Floyd outboxes him, too.

    And people here would've called Golovkin "a cherry pick with a paper belt" like they tend to do.
     
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  3. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    Cottos middleweight title was an opportunistic cash grab against a severely compromised Sergio Martinez who may as well have been boxing with a peg leg.

    Canelo wouldn’t become a middleweight or middleweight champion for a full 5 years following the loss to Floyd.

    More importantly, Martinez and GGG are not 154 lb career welterweight Cotto or 154 lb Canelo.

    He’d be fighting the Martinez who stopped Dzinziruck in one of his career best performances if he wanted to go for a title then…. Odd you didn’t pick that fight for your example. GGG wasn’t the name he would later be at this time, and Martinez was seen as the man.

    Edited to correct myself, I said GGG wasn’t a champ but he had the WBA? Belt I think in 2011.
     
  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good points, and lets be real, Floyd would have no problem beating the "one-legged" Martinez that Cotto beat. Pretty much anybody would have been able to beat that limited version of Martinez. Sergio relied on his movement, without his movement he had nothing, and had no chance of beating a blown up welter like Cotto.

    I don't think Cotto would have been able to beat Prime Martinez before the leg injury. I'm not sure Canelo could either, or GGG, or anybody. he was that good. The draw vs Cintron which was generally seen as a robbery, or even the loss to Paul Williams notwithstanding, Martinez was very very difficult to beat. There's a reason why Floyd wanted no part of Paul Williams, it had less to do with weight and more to do with the fact that he was a stylistic nightmare for him. Not only would Floyd be at a significant size disadvantage against Martinez but it would be the movement that would give Floyd fits. And Martinez could punch. Prime Martinez had trouble with tall opponents but a smaller opponent, Martinez had such incredible movement and skills that he could actually out ring general Mayweather, since Mayweather would not only struggle to land clean but he wouldn't have the power to hurt Martinez. Cotto beat a severely limited Martinez, and to make matters worse, there was catchweight imposed on him. But a Prime Martinez would have been able to handle that Cotto and most others top MWs.
     
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  5. Philosopher

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    Oh, I'm gonna say it. I've gotta say it. I think the best ever Mayweather, the unicorn as near to 160 as he can get his little hands beats GGG... There, I said it. Can't take it back now...
     
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  6. MVC!

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  7. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In 2011, Golovkin was 29 years old (beginning his prime) and he was the WBA Middleweight Champion. The same year, Mayweather was 34, nearing the end of his prime, and he was the WBC Welterweight champion.

    I chose that year because Golovkin had one of the middleweight titles (which is the point of the thread). I didn't go later, because Mayweather would've been 35 or 36. And that isn't the same as a guy in his prime. Everyone knows that.

    I chose Golovkin, because everyone rates him higher than Martinez. And Sergio had already lost to welterweights like Antonio Margarito and Paul Williams. Golovkin would've been a tougher opponent.

    But Mayweather still outboxes him and beats him in 2011. Ouma showed faster hands and gave Golovkin hell that year. After that, Mayweather wasn't in his prime anymore, for all intents and purposes.

    If Mayweather fought him that year, Mayweather wins. And fans here would've found something to complain about.
     
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  8. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    Good post.


    At the time, hardly anyone would have rated GGG higher than Martinez.

    I haven’t seen the Ouma/GGG fight, but is it really that relevant to a match with Floyd? Iirc Ouma was a high volume punching guy? I had only seen one or two of his bouts, but I remember him having an impressive output… Not quite who I’d compare Floyd of the Canelo fight with.
     
  9. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's a good fight. You should watch it.

    I don't get into fantasy fights too much. So I picked a spot in time where they realistically could've fought. 2011 was it. Both guys were as close to being in their primes as they would be simultaneously. Even saying that, in 2011, Mayweather was already 15 years into his career and his prime was about done.
     
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  10. bluebird

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    He could have beaten Jermain Taylor, Sergio Martinez, Miguel Cotto.

    I doubt he beats Prime Golovkin, just can't see it
     
  11. Serge

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    :lol:

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  12. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Risks that Mayweather took:

    Marquez: number 2 PFP.
    Manny: arguably the g.o.a.t.
    Oscar: people rate him in the same level as Manny
    Judah: tricky southpaw with speed. Beat the breaks off of a well versed Mickey ward should count for something.
    Baldomir: wasnt he fighter of the year? With Judah and who was it? Gatti if I remember as scalps.
    Mosley: the sugar man himself.
    Gatti: even though he was a b+ fighter he was on a nice winning streak, a little bit of revision added to his style by buddy McGirt
    The sharmba Mitchell fight: sharmba was an under achiever with skills, people were telling whoop that trick as money closed the show.
    His ducking of Margarito: good, he didn't need to kill himself against the monster giant Margarito...
    Cotto: a contemporary great.
    Ortiz: was a young up and comer. Surely he was stupid but he had winning moments in their quick controversial bout.

    Money may has a great resume.
     
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  13. CooperKupp

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    Well… win A title… sure. Against an average belt holder at the time but floyd would get knocked the **** out against prime Triple G
     
  14. tarrant45

    tarrant45 Active Member Full Member

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    I would pick Floyd over GGG all day. Target practice. GGG would have been swinging at air for 12 rounds. He was not that much bigger than floyd also. Less reach, a few inches taller. All good to see GGG would knock him out, but you need to land first to do that.
     
  15. FrankinDallas

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    Roy who? Roy Jones Jr? At 147? How is RJJ going to get down to 147
     
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