Jake LaMotta (prime) vs Sergio Martínez (prime) | MW

“Yeah, he's a nice kid, pretty kid, don't know whether to **** him or fight him.” - JL

 

LaMotta would steam roll him bad, bury him in fists and outbox him in a really unfunny sort of way we’d be watching a beating. Never seen this match up suggested… thinking about it, I can see why.

 

LaMotta UD or late stoppoage.

 

LaMotta was pretty inconsistent and lost to a lot of guys way worse than Maravilla. His best wins have huge asterisks over them since Robinson was massively outweighed and Cerdan injured his left arm after LaMotta threw him to the canvas, even his win over Yarosz was largely considered a robbery at the time. We also have no clue how well LaMotta would do against southpaws, especially since Jake himself was left-handed and didn't have much if any experience fighting southpaw, something which would likely be compounded by the fact that he didn't have much of a straight right and didn't know how to set up his jab against a southpaw either. A tricky, movement-heavy southpaw with fast hands and feet sounds like a nightmare matchup for LaMotta in all honesty.

 

Sexy. I have to know if that's going to be filtered before my real post.

 

Okay, looks good
Here goes:

 

"I fought Sexy Sergio so many times I got Sexy Diabetes."

 

LaMotta understood exactly how to fight a southpaw “once you’re inside it’s all the same” Sergio was an okay fighter of the modern era, LaMotta was “The guy” at 160lbs at one point in the sports greatest period.

 

Honestly I'm going to go Sergio Martinez because hes bigger and the southpaw thing. LaMotta is very overrated because of his fights with Sugar Ray Robinson which were mostly long before Robinsons peak when Robinson was a WW. LaMotta fought in a great era but guys fairly removed from the top had success against him and he was not dominant. Gave up a bunch of rounds in his 3 title wins and lost a non title fight on the side. All these guys were smaller then him. Kinda a MW Joe Walcott with more luck on the cards and less gifted title shots.

LaMotta became the "guy" at MW because he threw a fight for the mafia in exchange for a title shot. His career does not suggest this was an inevitability if that hadn't happened. On his road to a title shot he got 3 questionable decision victorys(and lost a 4th) including one over a fighter with a record of 25-22. He was good enough to be champion but wasn't clearly "the guy" by any means.

LaMottas record against bigger MWs isn't the greatest and the highlights here are Holman Williams and Bob Murphy at the very end of those fighters career. Satterfield was green and I'm not a big fan of Satterfield anyway. Marshall(ATG great) and Bolden(not quite an ATG) beat him pretty handidly. Most of Martinezs top 154/MW opponents except Cotto were 5'11 at a minimum and Martinez was more consistant against this group than LaMotta was period.

Cotto who Martinez would have done better against at his peak was a P4P ATG talent with the misfortune of climbing the weight ladder with Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao. I can not say the same is true of LaMotta in regards to Sugar Ray. If Sugar Ray wasn't around LaMotta would have had ups and downs just like he did in the 6 years between their last 2 encounters. While you might not love Martinezs MW era the 154 division of this period is one of the best tweener divisions of all time. Those guys would be MWs if 154 didn't exist and would be MWs in LaMottas era.

I'm going with the bigger fighter and the more consistant fighter.

 

And yet we have no footage of LaMotta fighting southpaws, he never fought a southpaw as a pro afaik and even if he did most southpaws of that time were quite crude in their application, and fighting a southpaw on the inside is considerably different from fighting an orthodox inside, so that quote doesn't elucidate anything. LaMotta was "the guy" thanks solely to him using a wrestling throw and mangling Cerdan's left arm. He broke even or lost to most other top level middles he fought.

Maravilla was well-respected as an elite talent and was regularly lauded as a top 5 P4P star. His wins over Pavlik, Murray, Williams, Barker, Murray are all fairly solid and just as good as LaMotta's wins over a one-armed Cerdan, a robbery over Yarosz, and an under-sized Robinson. LaMotta was too inconsistent and was outboxed far too often for him to be picked over a technician like Sergio.

 

are we pretending that sexy man weighed in under the same rules?

if it was a fair fight i'd pick lamotta. if we are giving sergio the 20-30lbs that he is bigger by obviously i pick the guy who weighed in the day before.

 

I recall Martinez being interviewed in the ring after one of his MW defences and he was asked about a fight at a 170lbs catch weight vs Bernard Hopkins. Sergio dismissed the suggestion, stating he was 165lbs going into the ring. LaMotta will have been around that in the ring for his title fights and heavier for many of his non title fights.

Martinez was a little taller than LaMotta, but he was no bigger.

 

Huh - Nah fighting inside is the way to go and “they’re all the same” because once I get my head on a southpaw shoulder he losses his weaponised awkward BS same as if I get my shoulder into his chest or bump him square… he also might as well be orthodox on the ropes… watch Toney fight southpaws to see what I’m talking about in 1080p, it limits what they can throw (depending on where you stick your head, shoulder etc) so you can keep an eye on there left handed scum-ary, same applies to an orthodox fighter… in the case of Martinez I don’t see him as an accomplished inside fighter the way LaMotta was - JL was at the end of the line here but you can see what I’m talking about as we actually do in fact have film of LaMotta fighting a southpaw.

EDIT: Here is an example… stick your head on a southpaws left shoulder and get your arms inside his what can he throw? - do you see?

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Maravilla would embarrass him