Shakur Stevenson is the best boxer in the world

Rules for thee but not for me.

Everyone has to come to the US to prove themselves and fight our boys on a heavily stacked deck but our best boys should never have to travel to their foreign opponent's backyards and do so

The HUGE difference is when foreigners fight in the US vs Americans the deck is heavily stacked with a home ref and three home judges for world title fights the vast majority of the time, even done it for undisputed ones numerous times too

But when Americans fight outside the US vs foreigners in world title fights the same never happens

I have only found one instance of a foreigner fighting in their opponent's country in a world title fight outside the US where they did that and it was during Covid restrictions

All I want is fairness I am not asking for a stacked deck like they do in the US or any unfair advantage

Do you think this is fair?

I have no problem with American people, I like them as much as I do any other group of peoples, but this is something which is clearly very unfair

Name one current American fighter who has fought their foreign opponent in their country in a world title fight with a home ref and three home judges?

I just listed 6 times Loma alone has done so in just 21 fights

Kovalev vs Ward II and 2 - US ref and three US judges

Kovalev vs B-Hop - - US ref and three US judges

Loma x 6

Josh Taylor vs JCR - US ref and three US judges and it was for undisputed

Charlo vs Korobov - US ref and three US judges

Charlo vs Castano - Neutral ref (extremely rare over there) and three home judges for 1st fight, US ref and three US judges for the rematch, after, as with Kovalev vs Ward 1 they robbed the away fighter. And this was for undisputed too

Shakur vs Zepeda - US ref and three US judges

Teofimo vs Kambosos - US ref and three US judges

I can keep doing this all day

Now watch

Inoue vs Fulton in Japan - all the officials from neutral countries

Haney vs Kambosos I and II - all the officials from neutral countries

Kovakev vs Yarde in Russia - all the officials from neutral countries

Kovalev vs Chilemba in Russia - all the officials from neutral countries

Loma, GGG, Kovalev, Robson, Korobov, Castano, JLC, Lemos, Mattysee, Kotelnik to name but a few off the top of my head who have been robbed in the US vs North American fighters. How many times have the fighters they were robbed against: Haney, Salido, Ward, Valdez, Jermall, Jermell, Floyd, Hitchins, Judah, Alexander been robbed vs foreigners?

Exactly


If it's so easy to do and doesn't greatly increase your chances or losing via hook and crook then why are so many so opposed to doing it or would never dare do so a fraction as much as Usyk and other road warriors have? Why did some of the greats categorically to ever do it once in their entire careers?


Haney would not have fought Kambosos in Australia if the officials were Australian.

Would Floyd had fought Manny in the Philippines, JLC in Mexico, Maidana in Argentina, let alone with a home ref and three home judges? Of course not

Ward would never have dared fight Kovalev or Beterbiev in Russia or Adonis and Beterbiev in Canada, let alone with a home ref, a home ref and 1, 2, or 3 home judges. Not in a million years

Remember that episode of Fight Camp 360 The Super Six where all the promoters and organizers were in a meeting where things were getting heated because Ward didn't want to travel and got to have all his fights at home which he admitted was a big advantage for him?

His team wouldn't even allow a single neutral judge for the rematch against Kovakev despite Kovalev being robbed of all his world titles in the first fight, affording Ward the opportunity to win all of them off him in his home country, and having a full deck of a home ref and three home judges the first time even though Kovalev was the unified champ

Shakur on whether he would fight 122 pounder Inoue in Japan

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The are numerous factors which can combine to make home advantage advantageous and individual ones alone can often mean the difference between going home with an L or a W

Richie Woodhall

''Fighting away from home opens your eyes. People were knocking on my door at 4am. They took me for a medical and said they'd lost all my forms, which was nonsense. I was taken on journeys that were supposed to be 15 minutes but lasted an hour.''

''I lost fair and square on the night and there are no excuses but things were bad from the start. Everything is against you. The crowd, the promoter and the local people, they try to make it as uncomfortable as possible. If you win a title abroad then you're a true champion, no doubt.''

---Richie Woodhall on facing Keith Holmes in the US.

This is how honest Woodhall is. How many times have you seen a fighter do this, let alone a reigning world champion?

Both his reaction and post-fight interview

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Iceman John Scull
''Mr. Scully, How difficult is it for a fighter from North America to train for a fight at home and then leave for an overseas fight a week or two before? You hear people talk about the adjustment, time zones and stuff, what is that like? Is it a difficult process for a fighter? - Pat in Maine

ICE: I found it to be a mentally tough task to go there partly because of all the horror stories you've heard over the years. Did I get there in enough time? Will the time change affect me? Will the climate or the water or the food and the different altitude affect me? You find yourself asking a lot of questions. I don't know if it was nerves or jet lag or a combination of both but I know that when I fought Henry Maske for the IBF title back in 1996 in Germany there was not even one night there, including the night before the fight, that I was able to fall asleep before day break.''

''Kovalev did it the hard way'' meaning in his opponent's backyards and on the road


-- Andre Ward

The worst part about this is you all damn well know I'm right but you won't even concede I am and that it's unfair. You'll just be like.. ''We know he's right but Grrrrrr!''

 

I'll reply to your other posts later

 

Josh Taylor was undisputed at 140 at the time. He was the king of the division and held all the belts that Teofimo wanted to take from him but the little female dog refused to travel to the UK for the fight

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Andre Ward flat-out refused to travel to his opponent's backyards, expecting everyone else to play by a set of rules that he refused to play by once in his career. Everyone had to come and fight him in his backyard or country but he would never dare do the same. He had home advantage for all of his fights, whether it be hometown, state or country, and home refs for every single one of his fights, whether it be hometown, state or country, 23 of them from Cali, and a scandalous amount of home judges, very often 3 or at worst 2 even vs foreigners

He had home advantage vs every world class opponent he fought and home ref for all his fights, a massive advantage for a filthy dirty serial cheat like him whose style and success was heavily attributed to his incessant fouling and octopus grabbing

Ali had no problem travelling and fighting in his opponent's backyards but Floyd who was supposedly the face off boxing and TBE didn't do it once

Again

Shakur

Would you fight Inoue, the way smaller 122 pounder Inoue, in Japan?

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What do you think Usyk would say if he was asked that question? He would say ''no problem'' immediately. How do we know? Because we've seen him say exactly that numerous times and forge a career doing it unlike these have gloves won't travel deck-stackers who need all the advantages in their favour as many as can be wangled in their favour before they will sign on the dotted line, to the extent that they're almost are or are rolling with loaded dice, to achieve 'greatness'

I think he might fight a foreigner in their backyard one day but I guarantee it won't be with them having a home ref and three home judges, nor even 2 home judges, that is deemed as extremely unfair, completely outrageous even, by many fighters and fans over there. The irony couldn't be more priceless

So you have to ask yourself if it's so easy, why are so many of these 'greats' and the best fighters in the world so averse to doing so and why did they categorically refuse to do it even once?

Does the chance of you losing, either via hook or crook, increase if your travel to your opponent's backyard? Yes or no? Trying to workout why they call it home 'advantage'?

Are you more likely to get robbed at home or in your opponent's backyard? Which one is it? The answer is right there in front of your eyes because we see it on almost a weekly basis.

Heroes of yours categorically refused to do it, told you they would never do, and never actually did it but it's so easy. They steadfastly refused to do it for a reason

Usyk is literally the complete antithesis to them. He doesn't care if every advantage is stacked against him, even when he's already giving away huge physical advantages and big youth advantage.

 

I think he's very talented but, as I said, had he turned pro at the same age Loma did he wouldn't eve be a world champion in one weight class yet, unless he was brave enough to fight for a world title in his 2nd or 3rd fight like Loma did which is highly unlikely and would he have done so in his opponent's country with a home ref and three home judges like Loma did vs GRJ and it was essentially a home fixture for Mexican Salido fighting a Ukrainian in Texas. Of course he wouldn't. Not in a million years

So had Loma turned pro at the same age as Shakur, which gets conveniently ignored by so many, 135 would be BARE minimum his SIXTH WEIGHT CLASS, not his THIRD and he would be a six weight world champion 100% (people can try and argue otherwise but they will fail) not a three weight one and he would've won three of the four belts in his sixth weight class and been robbed of being undisputed in his sixth weight class vs a 20lbs heavier, almost 6'' longer reach gigantic weight bully in said weight bullies backyard with a home ref and three home judges when past his prime at 35 y/o.

How many fighters become undisputed in their sixth weight class or at 35 y/o in their opponent's backyards vs a 20lbs heavier near 6'' longer reach opponent? How many even attempt to do so? Crawford's about to attempt to do it vs a Clenelo who is well past his best and barely any bigger than him but he's a god and as brave as they come for doing so in his own country

And, as said, it would be Loma's sixth weight class bare minimum. It might be his seventh and more had he turned pro even younger

How many win three of the four belts in their sixth weight class, let alone on the road like he did winning them individually vs much or way bigger opponents? But he's a ''hype job'' and Shakur is the best fighter in the sport, for beating Herring, Valdez, and Zepeda



Let's see Shakur try and do that and he will have to go up higher than 147 to at least 154 to be giving away those kind of physical advantages