Daniel Dubois Has A Glass Jaw

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  1. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Yes.
    But also, yes, heavyweights clearly are able to generate more force because they are larger men, but there is a limit to it. And even at heavyweight, you have guys who are clearly not big punchers. Look at Hrgovic´s technique - it´s mainly arm punches. Majority of his stoppages have come against sub par opposition, and through accumulation. He is not flatlining guys like Dubois is.
    Again, Hrgovic is not a big puncher.

    I am downplaying someone who has been stopped with a jab, twice. Someone who got dropped by a Cruiserweight.
    I am not pulling my criticisms out my ass here.

    And before you idiots get any more upset here, I would like to remind you that I picked Dubois to beat Hrgovic, and got a lot of **** for it. I laid out how Dubois would possibly outbox him, which he did. And I predicted that Hrgovic would land those right hands from the get go, but if Dubois could take them then he would win, which he did, because Hrgovic´s power diminishes as he gets tired. The Croatian giant has **** poor stamina.
     
  2. eat more offal

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    @Badbot thinks it's possible to take a hundred clean power punches off Hrgovic, not go down, and still have a glass jaw.
     
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  3. ChiefGego

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    Dude. You are seriously out of touch. No wonder over 46000 posts you have 34000 thumbs, you seriously lack any level of self awareness
     
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  4. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Punch stats: Hrgovic landed 67 power punches on Dubois.
    And if you watched the fight, you would know that by the 5th round Hrgovic had no power in his right hand at all.

    You seem to be under the illusion that Hrgovic is a big puncher.

    I am sorry, but who has been stopped twice with jabs?
     
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  5. eat more offal

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    You do realise that actually weakens your argument referring to the Joyce match. His face was literally caved in (broken orbital) when Joyce threw almost only jabs. Are you telling me that Joyce's jab is harder than Hrgovic's right hands?

    Absolutely deluded beyond belief.
     
  6. BubblesUK

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    Hrgovic doesn't have big power.

    Getting hit flush plenty by him means a sub par chin... Surviving doesn't mean iron by a very long way.

    For me, the fact Dubois has been stopped by quit is more telling about his heart (lacking) and possibly recovery than it is about his chin - I don't think he's glass, but he can be hurt.
     
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  7. Badbot

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    Excuses for the Joyce fight, alright. But whats the excuse for the Usyk fight?

    No.
     
  8. eat more offal

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    The question is not whether Dubois has an iron chin. It's whether he has a glass chin, and he obviously doesn't given that he was hit by countless power punches from Hrgovic and didn't go down.

    You also were making big arguments that Whyte would beat Itauma, so your opinion means Jack.
     
  9. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    But is that chin, heart or common sense?

    Against Joyce, it could be argued it was sensible to stop - he was in a bad spot, way behind and had landed his biggest punches without making a dent... He couldn't win in any way, not even hail Mary - it was over already.

    Against Usyk... Losing clearly, had a good referee so lowblows weren't getting counted - but he still had a punchers chance and IMHO could've continued... For me, that's heart rather than chin?

    It's not like he's been getting knocked out by mediocre powered jabs - that would show a glass chin, but it's not quite what's happened?
     
  10. BubblesUK

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    Hrgovic has very mediocre power - but if Dubois was glass, he'd have been knocked out by that mediocre power.

    I don't think Dubois is glass - he's average at worst.

    Way to misrepresent what I've said :elefant:

    I've said, multiple times, that Whyte is way more proven than anyone Itauma's beaten... Which is undeniable fact.

    At the same time, he's declined a lot... But prime Whyte was multiple levels beyond shot Wach, or McKean, or Balogun.

    We also don't know quite how far Itauma can go yet, given he hasn't fought a proper gatekeeper so far... A shot legit contender could still be beyond him - we just don't know yet.

    I don't necessarily think Whyte will win, and I hope he doesn't... But many on here will be shocked if that happens - I won't, overhyped prospect stepping up and losing is a tale as old as time, and we don't know if Itauma lives up to the hype yet.
     
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  11. Badbot

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    But then there is the Lerena fight. That´s not a good look either. And if we make excuses for him getting almost stopped in the first round there, then we are on a path of a lot of excuses.

    Also the Joshua fight. While it is true that Joshua can crack, and evidently so, it´s still a bad look for Dubois given how badly Joshua hurt him. Mind you, Joshua had taken a beating up to that point, as still managed to badly hurt Dubois.

    I guess we will find out tonight if it´s his heart, or his chin. Or if Dubois indeed has greatly improved as a boxer.
     
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  12. BubblesUK

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    I'd almost go the other way.

    As you say, Joshua can really crack - that punch on Ngannou was, IMHO, as big as anything Wilder ever threw (and possibly bigger)... And even against good opponents, where a limited fighter would struggle to land anything decent at all, he usually gets a good punch off and gets the job done, even against decent fighters.

    The fact Dubois was hurt but still standing suggests his chin is decent.


    I doubt his heart, his IQ is low and he isn't great with accumulation... But I don't think chin is really a massive problem or limiting factor for him, for the most part - guys with good enough chins to survive him AND way above average power aren't that common.
     
  13. Zakman

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    He sure is. And when his shaky mandible is shattered, once again, the glass jaw deniers will be eating crow!!
     
  14. Rico Spadafora

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    Glass WILL Shatter today. Count on it.
     
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  15. Zakman

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    Not long til the shards of Dubois's fragile mandible start flying!!
     
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