To all the people claiming Usyk is the greatest Heavyweight

Are they? I'm still not sure he makes my top ten, but I'm gonna give it some thought tomorrow. Earth shattering news for y'all, I'm sure ya can't wait...

 

Comparisons across time are indeed difficult.
So how much better is ali compared to louis? How much better is lewis compared to holmes?

In all fairness it is bs and uncomparable. We can only make thin arguments. But somehow we probably rank ali higher than holmes. because of his opposition and the manner of his wins and losses.

This is why I would put usyk in that list and above most of them. there is no 'bum of the month club' with usyk. Two fights to get used to heavyweight, the second of which was chisora who went on to secure a solid top ten spot with his joyce and wallin wins. Apart from that absolute top of the division each time.
And technical and tactical dominance as is seldom seen.

It's not like the ones on the list only had fights against each other. Those fights are actually rare. There are a lot of second to fifth row fighters in their records. That is why usyks resume is comparable. (At least for me)

Let's be honest if I was holmes or marciano or ali or lewis or usyk or prime fury before losses or Joshua before ruiz i would probably think I was the greatest fighter ever. I assume they all do because they are supposed to and there is always an argument for it.

Ah yes and the dubois fight I think is more the occasion that prompts everyone to exclaim him as the goat. The reason is his whole history of fights

 

Lol!


The Coping is going to be hilarious these next several weeks. It really is.

 

Heat of the moment. Ali and Louis are still lock for #1 and #2. Though It’s wide open from #3 and on and Usyk deserves to be in conversation as much as anyone.

Yes, H2H he’s worthy of being in discussion with anyone, but H2H is an entirely different subject.

 

While, in general, I agree with you about the level of the current love for Usyk, I think you cast too wide of a net.

He easily can be seen as good as, if not better, than Marciano. The Rock had six defenses and while he fought famous names, Louis, Charles, Walcott and Moore were all older, past their best fighters. You have to give credit to Marciano for the undefeated career, but unlike Holmes and W. Klitschko, who also fought in weak eras, Marciano does not have enough defenses to make up for that shortcoming.

Heavyweight Holyfield is like middleweight Sugar Ray Robinson. he was too inconsistent to beat top fighters on a regular basis. Yes, he had some very good wins but he also had a lot of losses, some against not so great fighters. Holyfield's lack of sustained quality at heavyweight certainly gives a leg to stand on to those who believe Usyk to be the better fighter.

Lastly is the interesting case of George Foreman. I love Big George and while he was a great heavyweight boxer he was not a great champion. During his two title reigns he had just three successful defenses. He had a very good win over Ken Norton but his successful defenses against Joe Roman and Axel Schulz are certainly less impressive than Usyk's defenses. I put a lot of stock in title defenses and George is severely lacking.

While there are levels to the other seven greats you named they all have legitimate cases to be thought of as higher than Usyk of the heavyweight ATG list. That being said, Usyk / Frazier is very close

 

Wouldn't it be fair to at least suggest swapping the Ukrainians

 

As a self-declared Usyk fanboy, I tell you that Dynamicpuncher is a class act, a knowledgable guy, and we are lucky to have him around.

 

There is always a certain amount or presentism, and there are guys given to nostalgia. Usyk is carving his own legacy, and we can fit him in when his carrier is done, as far as I'm concerned.

 

This place always loses it whenever a fan favorite wins. Usyk is easily the best fighter of this generation, the best since Floyd and Pac, and the best heavyweight since Lennox. But calling him the greatest heavyweight ever? Thats too much

 

I'd much rather have Usyk's career than Bowe's at this point.

 

Usyk has done the maximum that he could do and dominated two divisions. Any opinions about all time rankings are purely hypothetical. He has to be in the running when it comes to ATG heavyweights though.