I’m worried usyk could pop for PED’s

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  1. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    His testosterone levels were 6x above the legal limit.
     
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  2. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Enjoying fighting, or watching fights is not the same as intentionally cheating during said fights, when there are rules agreed upon by both sides.
    You might find combat sports morally repulsive, but it doesn´t change the fact that it´s an agreed upon activity, where both sides have made promises to fight and prepare according to the rules. Thus someone cheating is unethical, and a sign of moral bankruptcy.

    I have never intentionally financially aided a fighter who has failed a drug test. Well, there might be two exceptions: The first Fury vs Usyk fight, and the Joshua vs Wilder card which featured Jarrell Miller.
    This doesn't make it morally acceptable for fighters to cheat by using PED´s.
     
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  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Strange thing to worry about
     
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  4. PrimoGT

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    I'm not saying it's morally acceptable.
    I didn't initially say a thing about morality. But if people bring up morality, in professional boxing there's already a lot of questions. I just accept that.

    With PEDs, I observing that boxing goes on with known cheats all the time. And big name boxers test positive and the lawyers and negotiators do what they do, and big name boxers often get 'cleared' or get the charges and penalties knocked down or minimised. There's virtually no chance Usyk tests positive for PEDs, and even if he did, the thing would blow over after a few noisy months and we'd all be looking forward to the next fight. Same as with all the others. That's my take.
     
  5. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    So your problem is simply with me using the term "moral bankruptcy"? Because in your view boxing itself can be viewed as immoral due to the violence - and argument you just made.

    I maintain, that not every single boxer, or world class boxer - is a cheat who takes PED´s to gain an advantage over their opponents. To state that everyone is simply unethical, and will stoop to that level, is just ridiculous.
     
  6. PrimoGT

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    I don't have an issue with you making a moral judgement. I'm just pointing out that other people might see it differently, including the elite boxers themselves.

    I suspect most of the elite have used PEDs at some points, and a lot of them that use justify it to themselves by thinking of it as medicine that they need because they train and fight so hard. And at this point, it's something that's always been there. That's my guess.

    Take Vitali Klitschko as an example. He wasn't even allowed on the Olympic team because he tested positive for steroids. Then he turned professional. Maybe he changed his "moral" outlook when he turned professional, but I doubt that. Maybe he didn't want to risk getting caught again so he never used again. That's possible. Or maybe he became professionally competent with the right team around him to facilitate a certain amount of PED use. That's seems a bit more likely to me.
     
  7. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    And then you have Nonito Donaire who entered voluntary year round testing himself, and I think he still does it, or at the very least did so until a few years back.
    He went beyond what was asked by anyone, and paid for it himself.

    I refuse to believe that every single elite boxer is willing to use PED´s to get ahead. There is simply no way that every human in that position would act unethically.
    1999 Tour de France and Fernando Escartín - Fernando initially finished in third spot of the race. Years later every other podiumist of that race got busted for PED´s, but not Fernando. He truly was the one clean athlete in a sport where rampant PED use was something everyone knew about, at least those in the sport.
     
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  8. GGGfans

    GGGfans Active Member Full Member

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    Usyk is under PED but so are all his opponents
     
  9. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why would you worry about it ? Usyk is not your family member your not his friend and you will never meet him in real life.

    So why worry about a multi millionaire who doesn't know you exist ?

    Even if by some chance Usyk did pop dirty he'd still be a multi millionaire with enough money to last him until the rest of his life comfortably.

    Worry about things in your own life that you can change.
     
  10. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    I myself am emotionally invested into his career. I could care less about his multi millions. I would be devastated if he pops dirty.