the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Lupe Pintor v Juan Meza

Round 1: 9-10 Meza
Round 2: 9-10 Meza
Round 3: 9-10 Meza
Round 4: 9-10 Meza
Round 5: 10-7 Pintor
Round 6: 10-9 Pintor
Round 7: 9-10 Meza
Round 8: 10-9 Pintor
Round 9: 9-10 Meza
Round 10: 10-8 Pintor
Round 11: 10-9 Pintor
Round 12: 10-9 Pintor

Final score: 114-111 PINTOR

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Viy, I checked this out a year or two back. Awesome fight. This is what I wrote:

Juan (Kid) Meza v Lupe Pintor (super bantamweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Meza
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Meza
Round 5: 10-7 Pintor (scores 2 knockdowns)
Round 6: 10-9 Pintor
Round 7: 10-9 Meza
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Meza
Round 10: 10-8 Pintor (scores a knockdown)
Round 11: 10-9 Pintor
Round 12: 10-9 Pintor

Total: 116-112 Pintor (actual scores: 115-111, 116-110 and 117-110 all for Pintor)

Man, I remember when this took place and loving this bout. With the thin air of Mexico City, these two struggled to the end, leaving nothing in the fuel tanks. Pintor's heavier shots outweighed Meza's more frequent taps on my card. Damn good fight.

 

A war!!

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In memory of Dwight Qawi I watched Qawi vs Foreman. What a fun fight to watch and Qawi slippery as ever and Foreman was pissed off throughout.

 

Rafael (Bazooka) Limon v Idelfonso Bethelmy (vacant jr. lightweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Bethelmy
Round 2: 10-9 Limon
Round 3: 10-9 Limon
Round 4: 10-9 Limon
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Bethelmy
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Bethelmy
Round 9: 10-9 Limon
Round 10: 10-8 Limon (Limon's round plus Bethelmy was docked a point for holding and hitting)
Round 11: 10-9 Limon
Round 12: 10-9 Limon
Round 13: 10-9 Limon
Round 14: 10-9 Limon
Round 15: Limon drops Bethelmy and signals the ref that he's had enough

Total through 14 completed rounds: 137-130 Limon (actual scores: 137-129, 136-129 and 136-135 all for Limon)

I agree, a war, but it was also a sloppy contest. Some good exchanges, some dirty warfare and then some slop in clinches and grappling. Limon was just the most awkward fighter I've ever watched and Bethelmy tried but wasn't really mounting an attack, but more countering. still, I enjoy most fights from this era. I should mention that I'm amazed how some of these fighters make it as #1 contender. Bethelmy's main claim to fame was beating top contender Leonel Hernandez. Other than that he had a couple of draws with Ezequial Sanchez and Jose Cervantes. But it is what it is. Again, I enjoy most contests from this era and I agree with one of the commentators who said, it was grueling.

 

When this fight took place I was 9 and cared more about Menudo the boy band, the Dukes of Hazzard and commercial airplanes than I did boxing....(the one day at the airport when I saw a TWA jet landing when TWA did not fly to Puerto Rico a memorable highlight and also when i went to see Menudo at the same airport and the day I went to the airport and then grandpa took me to my first ever live fight, Wilfredo Gomez-Jose Luis Soto, that night, being truly memorable events)

Later when i read Bethelmy had gone 15 rounds with Limon before being stopped, I instinctively knew he belonged there. My believ was reinforced when I finally saw the fight on You Tube. But I wonder what happened to him thereafter!!!

But yeah, Limon was still superior, I agree.

 

I was roaming through some old fights and checked out a couple of Alexis Arguello fights. Arguello was one of my favorites and I was reminded at what a joy he was to watch slowly breaking down his opponent before going for the kill. Just a remarkable fighter. So here we go...

Alexis Arguello v Cocoa Sanchez

I had never seen this bout before but I remember it as Arguello was looking to move up (I believe he was still featherweight champ at the time - but he was stretching the limits of his frame and the move to 130 was inevitable). Anyways, Cocoa Sanchez was a good test as he was a mover, experienced enough to know his way around and not a big banger - but very lively. Sanchez started out using the ring well and Arguello traipsed after him doing his slow grind. Finally in the 4th AA caught up with Sanchez, decking him twice with his corner retiring him between rounds 4 and 5. This was not peak Arguello at 130 but the infrastructure was there. I gave all 4 rounds to Arguello on the NY rounds system. Don't know how the judges had it as there was a lot of influence in the Garden that night from a very vocal Dominican crowd.

Alexis Arguello v Rolando Navarrete (jr. lightweight title)

Now this fight I remember watching but appreciated it more this time. The first time around I was such an Arguello fan that I think I was blotting out anything Navarrete was doing. This was absolute peak Arguello. Man, the jab, the body shots, the lead right - just magnificent. Navarrete, for his part, was throwing tidy bombs and after he was cut in the 3rd he really stepped up the pace in the 4th when his corner saw how bad this was and he really got into some good exchanges with Arguello in the 4th. A pity it ended how it did because it was really heating up. Amazing the depth of talent that Arguello was taking on then when you look at some of his title defenses. He had some poor ones like Rey Tam and Diego Alcala, but when you see he was taking on future champs in title defenses and non-titles such as Navarrete, Bobby Chacon, Bazooka Limon, Boza Edwards and Jose Luis Ramirez, one can see he avoided nobody. Incidentally, I had this fight 40-36 with all 4 rounds to AA (actual scores: 40-37, 40-37 and 39-37 for AA).

 

Reggie Johnson v Ki Yun Song (middleweight title)

I've always liked Reggie, but what a woeful opponent that he either chose or was forced upon him. Song was of course, an anomaly in South Korea being a middleweight, but that would mean he would have to try harder to prove himself at the weight class, right? Well, not in this case. He came in with a record of 7-2-2 for the world title and according to his press clippings, he was Korea's answer to Troy Dorsey. Dorsey should have sued for libel. One might say he held the OPBF title, which is sort of an automatic that one is getting a title shot. But at this weight, talent is barren. He won the vacant title from a fighter with a record of 1-2-1 and defended it against a fighter with a record of 2-1-1. see what i mean? Can't run a card. Reggie took this green kid to school, won every round (my card as well as the officials was 70-63) before the ref stopped the slaughter in the 8th round. And of course, showing the heart of a lion that all these fighters who never deserved that title shot in the first place, Song promptly retired after the fight to look for another business to get into

 

Jesse Rodriguez vs. Phumelela Cafu
Shut-out for Bam leading up to the stoppage

Ammo Williams vs. Ivan Vazquez
Unlike most I had Ammo behind leading up to the stoppage --
Round 1: 10-9 Vazquez
Round 2: 10-9 Vazquez
Round 3: 10-9 Vazquez
Round 4: 10-9 Vazquez
Round 5: 10-9 Ammo
Round 6: 10-9 Ammo
Round 7: 10-9 Vazquez
Round 8: 10-9 Ammo

Israil Madrimov vs. Vergil Ortiz Jr.
Round 1: 10-9 Madrimov
Round 2: 10-9 Madrimov
Round 3: 10-9 Madrimov
Round 4: 10-9 Ortiz
Round 5: 10-9 Ortiz
Round 6: 10-9 Ortiz
Round 7: 10-9 Ortiz
Round 8: 10-9 Madrimov
Round 9: 10-9 Ortiz
Round 10: 10-9 Ortiz
Round 11: 10-9 Ortiz
Round 12: 10-9 Ortiz
Final Score: 116-112 Ortiz

Gennady Golovkin vs. Sergiy Derevyachenko
Round 1: 10-8 Golovkin
Round 2: 10-9 Golovkin
Round 3: 10-9 Derevyachenko
Round 4: 10-9 Derevyachenko
Round 5: 10-9 Derevyachenko
Round 6: 10-9 Derevyachenko
Round 7: 10-9 Golovkin
Round 8: 10-9 Golovkin
Round 9: 10-9 Derevyachenko
Round 10: 10-9 Derevyachenko
Round 11: 10-9 Golovkin
Round 12: 10-9 Derevyachenko
Final Score: 113-114 Derevyachenko

 

Cornelius Boza Edwards v Rolando Navarrete (jr. lightweight title)

Round 1: 10-9 Navarrete
Round 2: 10-9 Edwards
Round 3: 10-9 Edwards
Round 4: 10-7 Navarrete (scores 2 knockdowns)
Round 5: Navarrete KOs Edwards

Total through 4 completed rounds: 38-36 Navarrete (actual scores: 38-37, 39-35 and another 39-35 all for Navarrete)

Y'know, I missed this back in the day but I did eventually see the KO but never watched the entire fight until now. Well, better late then never because this was a smoking 5 rounds. Admittedly, I was stunned when I heard the results back then. I thought Boza was impervious to leather, but everyone has their demon. Gil Clancy railed on about it being the right hook - straight left of Navarrete's that did the damage. It was a solid combo that was working well, but I thought it was his counter hooks that were doing the deed. Regardless, with both fighters cut badly, this was never going to go to the late rounds. Damn good fight while it lasted.

 

Antonio Cervantes W15 Miguel Montilla (1)

I had seen this written up recently and hadn't watched it but have always liked Cervantes; so smooth and calm, fighting in a very assured, contained way not terribly unlike Napoles. Not as explosive or perhaps as powerful as the Cuban, but just the patient, totally professional way he approaches fights, the understanding of pace, the measured approach.......very reminiscent, I think.

At any rate, Montilla for his part is fighting hard here, attempting to get inside and do damage, but he just can't land anything terribly meaningful. At times he lands a few good jabs, at times getting inside trying to work the body, but he can't seem to settle on a style here, credit due to Cervantes. The Colombian quells any attempt by the challenger to take the inititive. He rakes Montilla early with lead left uppercuts(!) to prevent any forays inside and stands his ground on the outside. Instead of clinching his way out of trouble, Cervantes merely eludes attacks by ducking and dodging and sliding side to side and then regains initiative by keeping Montilla on the end of his longer punches, and he hits harder than the challenger. Neither fighter is ever really hurt, but you can tell Montilla is respectful enough not
to simply wade in. As a result, he must be content to punctuate long sentences Cervantes has already written. It's not enough. Good boxing exhibition here. Montilla's hustle and bustle makes it relatively close on the cards, but Cervantes does enough in the right places to take it fairly on my card.

1. Even
2. Cervantes
3. Montilla
4. Montilla
5. Montilla
6. Cervantes
7. Cervantes
8. Even
9. Cervantes
10. Cervantes
11. Cervantes
12. Montilla
13. Montilla
14. Cervantes
15. Cervantes

145-142 Cervantes.

 

Well laid out, Sal. You’re on the money.

 

I just rewatched Sanchez vs. Nelson, because someone claimed he thought Nelson was ahead after the 14th. This wasn't my recollection, so I scored myself, given that fights are often closer or more lop-sided than you thought when you actually get down to score.

1. Nelson.
2. Sanchez.
3. Sanchez.
4. Nelson.
5. Nelson.
6. Sanchez.
7. Sanchez (two points with a knockdown).
8. Sanchez.
9. Sanchez.
10. Nelson.
11. Nelson.
12. Nelson.
13. Sanchez.
14. Sanchez.

So my scorecard was Sanchez 134-131 Nelson. Is my scorecard that much off?

 

I’ll do this soon, but in the meantime I do remember one judge having Nelson ahead when it was stopped.

 

I just checked after your post. One of the three did have Nelson up by 1 indeed; but the other two had Sanchez by three or more - just like I had.

Nelson was brave, but I thought Sanchez landed far more effective punches. Or Sanchez' chin is just that much better? It looked like Nelson's head swivels every time Sanchez lands a meaningful head shot, whereas nothing seems to happen to Sanchez when Nelson lands.

https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Salvador_Sanchez_vs._Azumah_Nelson