"The Ivan" (Usyk's special punch)

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I'm surprised there hasn't been a peep about this on the board - I searched - given what a (rightful) star Usyk has become in this advanced stage of the information age where things spread faster than ever before, and the boxing public's abiding fascination in past eras with specially named fistic maneuvers:

    You had "Pretty Boy" Floyd Mayweather popularizing the "check hook" (pivot counter left hook) after utilizing it on Ricky Hatton (to an extent it was probably the most overused phrase in the community for years, alongside his uncle's "DKSAB"). You had the "bolo punch" (a whipping underhanded shot) made famous if not invented by Ceferino "Predo" García, then borrowed in turn by Gerardo "Kid Gavilán" González and both hall of fame Sugar Rays. You had Donovan Ruddock and his "Smash" (basically a powerful hookercut). You had Michael Spinks and his "Jinx" (literally just a right cross :sisi1 ...it also doubled as his nickname...)

    And now we have Olly "The Cat" Usyk and his "Ivan". He discussed it for the first time formally during his press conference after knocking out Daniel "Dynamite" Dubois in their rematch. He mentioned that during his two years in the gym between Dubois I & II, he developed strategies with his team centered around different movements and combinations they felt DDD would be vulnerable to. It was always the plan to hit Dubois when possible with the "Ivan" - a hybrid left hook / overhand. Usyk explained that it's a Ukrainian cultural byword for a large muscular Cossack farmworker stereotype - a big hick, basically - and it's the way you'd expect a guy like that, stereotypically named Ivan, to punch.

    He said it wasn't a brand new weapon in his arsenal, but it wasn't something he'd used as far back as in the amateurs. It was first workshopped in training camps early in his cruiserweight title run in the pros, he said, when he fought in the USA. He guessed offhand "around 2018", but that context places it more like 2016-17, when he was defending against Mchunu & Hunter.
     
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  2. Overseas

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    Russ Amber used to be Usyk’s coach and he taught Usyk the “Ivan” in preparation for the Hunter fight. There are a bunch of recent interviews of Russ talking about the history behind that punch and how it used to be a secret code but Usyk finally revealed it.
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    Also like this interview from years back with Russ and Malik Scott talking about the early days of training Usyk and Wilder.
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  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Interesting. So, a Canadian punch with a Ukrainian name? :sisi1

    Also, it's always hard for me to wrap my head around Anber actually being a good x's and o's coach, as I most closely associate him with David Lemieux. Who fought like an untrained caveman for the most part. :lol:
     
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  4. Overseas

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    Malik Scott gives Russ credit for being the brains behind Wilder’s win over Ortiz. It seems like he does fly under the radar for most though.

    Here’s some footage of him training Usyk for the Hunter fight.

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  5. MetalLicker

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    The overhand punch is such an underrated weapon in boxing. Very few fighters have that punch in their repertoire.

    That punch is great against all kinds of defenses when used correctly.
     
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  6. IntentionalButt

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    A typical overhand falls straight down like a woodsman's ax. This variant comes from more a midway angle between an overhand and hook. Not a trajectory most opponents are looking out for.
     
  7. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's not new technology, but it's very effective against a high guard boxer puncher like Dubois. Dubois is effective at blocking with his gloves against most fighters. Throwing Ivan wouldn't work if Usyk just stepped back to evade a right hand and threw it - Dubois will get his gloves back most of the time before the counter lands. When Usyk slips laterally AND loops the left hand counter a bit with the Ivan, it's offset enough from Dubois' guard to land flush.
     
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  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    :deal:

    That's what Usyk mentioned in the post-fight presser, that in camp they'd drilled on combination scenarios to build up to delivery of an Ivan payload.
     
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  9. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Dubois's high guard is an illusion. He rarely blocks punches with his gloves.
     
  10. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He also has that uppercut/jab where he can hit you from any angle. Pretty sure he invented that.
     
  11. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It looked like a regular left overhand punch to me.

    Someone published a tutorial 9 years ago:

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  12. WhataRock

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    20 years on this forum..not one peep.
     
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  13. Kiwi Fish

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    I like the name and the lore behind it, its an interesting punch and it sounds like he has been keeping in reserve for years.

    I wonder what other moves and contingencies he has up his sleeve that he hasn't shown before.

    Also this is what I was saying about Usyk taking years to prepare for opponents, it sounds like he spent ages working on a way to KO Dubois before the second fight was even announced.

    Its part of the reason I thought Parker might stand a chance against him because Parker hasn't been on his radar until recently, but the more time Usyk gets with Parker's name being thrown around the more Usyk will prepare for him and Parker's chance of winning goes down.
     
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  14. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    I like the way Usyk is of range but very close will throw almost a full fient, a punch through it's entire range, a throwaway punch (left hooks namely but a right hook against dubious) but not actually be commited to it with his feet or really have power on it then the opponent will set and counter whereby Usyk will be already be in the process of countering this counter. It's all in the feet he might look more flat footed at HW but he isn't.
     
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  15. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    I know what IB means here. It initially looks almost like a body punch but suddenly changes into an overhand / hook trajectory. Quite rare but not unique. Erik Morales was absolutely great at this misdirecting shot (albeit with his right).