Okay. Exactly how bad was James J. Jeffries then? Jeffries vs. Riddick Bowe.

Bowe hurts him.

 

I don’t think a matchup with Bowe would prove whether Jeff was good or bad, Bowe was huge.

He wouldn’t have to chase Bowe which I guess is advantageous to Jeffries considering his technical flaws were exposed against the more mobile fighters, but we don’t have much to go on with regard to Jeffries vs. elite fighters the size of Bowe. How would he deal with the workrate, the size, the power, the PEDS?

The Tommy Ryan version of Jeffries would likely do best here, he was the most mobile and defensively conscious version of Jeffries. The 1903-04 version of Jeff that Fitzsimmons completed could also do well but that extra weight might hurt him here.

 

Bowe's got to stop him, bigger better boxer puncher, possibly just as strong... Jeffries as I understand it was a Bull Strong fighter, stand in front, fight you, hit you, grab you and boar in... but an athletic big mobile very good boxer puncher is going to beat him.

in a perhaps lesser kind of way, it might be a Foreman vs Chuvalo kind of thing. Who knows.

 

Over 12 rounds Bowe wins a decision. But if the fight goes 20-25 rounds then Bowe collapses and a bleeding Jeffries wins by TKO.

 

How, by any sane estimation, would this fight last over 3 rounds let alone 20?

This is just target practice. KO1.

 

Because Jeffries had one real skill: the ability to take punishment. Jeffries took 15 rounds of beating from Jack Johnson. Now you will say Bowe is way better than Johnson simply because he's a more modern fighter. And you'd be wrong.

I stand by my position. Bowe KOing Jeffries in 1 round is ridiculous. And you can research my many posts on my opinion of Jeff...he was an awkward oaf. But he'd still wear Bowe out in a 25 round fight.

 

Fitzsimmons who was ringside and rooting for Jeffries said Johnson could have ended it any time he wanted to,so the fact that Jeffries went into the 15 th doesn't mean anything to me. Burns went into the 14 th with Johnson, Ketchel into the 12th.
Why? Because they were allowed to.
Which big young men of class did Jeffries outlast over 25 rounds?
Which ones did he even fight? 200lbs Ruhlin who had a panic attack, a man Fitz had already half killed.
Bowe beats Jeffries and so would Holyfield, who lost 2 out of 3 to Bowe.

 

Ok. Fine.

How many times did Bowe go 25 rounds?
Right. Never.
It doesn't mean anything? 25 rounds against your sister would be a chore.

I said Bowe wins a 12 rounder. How do you see it? Be specific. Thanks.

 

He took punishment from sawed-off wharfbrawlers who ADMITTED they had no skill. He took punishment from a trap setter super middleweight with the legs of a 12 yr. old girl. He took punishment from a boxing aerobics instructor who looked like a clown on film.

Now, he has to take punishment from a 6-5, 240 pound Jamaican with long and rewarded amateur pedigree, quick twitch, length, size, skill, fighting heart... The complete package.

 

Calm down. You're upset. Get a good night's sleep.

 

You should go to sleep so that then you can dream of a scenario where Jeffries has a better chance against Lewis than did Justin Fortune.

 

Bowe does everything better on a completely different level. Bowe by early KO

 

This is assumingJeffries could last 25 rounds with a bigger,more skillful,modern sized heavyweight like Bowe.
Bowe wins this fight with his jab and his inside game which for a big man was excellent.
The only proactive footage of Jeffries we have shows him advancing stiffly towards Ruhlin, his left arm down by his waist.

Bowe had a very good right cross and Jeff because of this low guard ,looks tailor made for it.
Jeffries was never hit by a modernsized heavyweight,shaking off the punches of a 39 years old 2 years retired 172lbs Fitz who had bad hands ,and who was also 12 years the older man is rather different to absorbing the punches from a 6'5" 240lbs giant.
Five feet eight and a half, 183lbs Sharkey gave Jeffries life and death,what other punchers of note did Jeff face ? Choynski whom he outweighed by 52lbs?

Do you suppose Jeffries had that much more natural stamina than Bowe? Or is it that he trained for the longer distances and paced himself accordingly?
And couldnt Bowe do exactly the same?