Something I'm noticing about Holyfield's title defenses compared to Bowe and Lewis'

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  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Lewis gained normal weight for a big guy advancing into his thirties and had normal body fat.

    Tyson wasn’t exactly building a legacy when he was cheating on drug tests and showing up to fights looking bloated w crappy cardio.

    Mayweather didn’t gain much weight. He entered the ring for 130 fights at around 140 and entered the ring for 154 fights at around 150. Floyd is the guy who made Olympic drug testing the norm.

    Holy’s PED use is an extension of his “by any means” mentality. Nobody else perfected the headbutt+low blow two piece.
     
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    That was after Lewis totally exposed him.
     
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    Wheres the competitive incentive to smoke weed in the music industry ? Thats recreational. I have no doubt the number of top level fighter taking illegal substances in training have surpassed the amount of clean honest people, I just don't trust them with how many actually pop while masking agents are a thing. It's just assumption but I don't trust them anymore
     
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  4. Dynamicpuncher

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    That's irrelevant he was a mandatory just like Bean was.

    That means he was obligated to defend his belt against his mandatory.

    This has been explained to you multiple times in the thread.
     
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    Vitali stepped up his opposition starting with Lewis and not before, as I mentioned.

    Moorer would be a mid level win for Vitali post Lewis and Samders would probably knock him out quicker than Tua did.
     
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    It’s a PED for creating music.
     
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  7. NoNeck

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    Interestingly, Usyk has the best six fight winning streak in the history of the heavyweight division because he refuses to play by those sorts of rules.
     
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  8. Dynamicpuncher

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    Did you miss the part where Usyk was forced to defend against Dubois who was his mandatory ?

    So yes Usyk has to play by those rules.
     
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    Dubois is a quality B level guy, like Moorer was. Don’t ever mistake him for a Vaughn Bean or Bert Cooper.
     
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    Apparently you didn't read anything that's been said so let me explain again.

    It's been explained to you 4 times now Bean and Cooper were substitutes.

    You just said Usyk doesn't play by those rules when he was obligated like Holyfield was to defend against his mandatory the samething you're criticising Holyfield for.

    The quality of what you think Dubois is or isn't a
    at is irrelevant. The point is Usyk was obligated to defend his belt against his mandatory Dubois just like Holyfield was.

    I hope that's clear now.
     
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    1. Were Cooper and Bean substitutes for guys who had recently been exposed?
    2. Did you lie by pretending like Bean was a mandatory, when he was not?
    3. Why did Dubois end up with a belt?
     
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    Bean was number 1 ranked IBF mandatory challenger......

    What part of "obligated to defend vs your mandatory" do you not understand ?

    It's like I'm talking to a brickwall.
     
    Dynamicpuncher, Jul 31, 2025 at 12:34 PM
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    Bean wasn’t a mandatory. Nor was Cooper.
     
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  14. KO_King

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    Just my opinion... while I like and respect Holyfield, I've always found him a little overrated as a HW. He had some great individual wins, but no consistency or dominance. For every brilliant performance there were sub par showings and head scratching losses.
    I once heard him described as an 'occasional great ' which I thought summed him up perfectly
     
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  15. Dynamicpuncher

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    "Akinwande was diagnosed with hepatitis B and the bout was postponed and eventually cancelled. Instead, Holyfield moved on to face another mandatory challenger Vaughn Bean, who was the IBF's number one contender."
     
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