George Foreman's KO fight against SHW Jack O'Halloran

I understand. You just made this up.

You say that weight plays a role in matchups. OK, fine. I agree with this.

But you don't actually have data indicating that "200 lb" is some sort of magical break point where effectiveness is optimal and somehow declines per pound above it.

I mean, I could just declare that a 175lb fight weight is that magical breakpoint above which effectiveness declines per pound with 'trust me bro' as my support, isn't it?

 

You called Joe Louis a jab merchant and then said he threw excellent combinations in the same post.

Stop talking.

 

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Given your other posts, I know you're not trolling. Which lumps you into the same category as the other bozos in this thread.

 

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Do I really need to explain why a ATG Heavyweight from 80+ years ago is less skilled than a ATG Middleweight? You know that the skill ceiling in lower weight classes is vastly higher than heavyweight right?

 

Surely not? Just because the law of averages dictates that a weight class (like 160) with many times more boxers than another (like heavy), will boast better talent ... doesn't mean that his favourite heavyweight could possibly be less skilled.

Does it?

Soon, he will post videos of Louis' light feet and superlative footwork, that will make us gasp with amazement!

 

Ever heard the phrase "only hit dogs holler"...? Why did you assume I was talking about you and got offended when I mentioned the "bozos" in this thread?

Let me know when you can explain how a jab merchant like Louis is also a superb combination puncher. Until you can explain this, I cannot take you seriously. But we both know you can't and won't after getting caught with your foot in your mouth.

What does Louis appearing in the timeline 80 years ago have to do with anything? Is Andre Ward also more skilled than Louis?

Speaking in terms of sweeping generalizations will not save you. I'll ask you the same thing I asked bozo #3

Show me the fight where Canelo

-Shows a better jab than Louis
-Better timing
-Better accuracy
-Better ring IQ
-Better combination punching.

Show me. I want a specific fight with time
stamps.

Furthermore, I want you to go into detail about how and why Canelo does x thing better than Louis. You've written Mt. Kilimanjaro sized walls of texts before, so a few mere paragraphs shouldn't be a problem, no...?

And don't just post a highlight video like Bozo #1.

 

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These exchanges alone are far above anything Louis has ever done in his career as far as boxing skill goes. The measure of distance, the timing, the accuracy, the defensive responsibility, the punch placement, you can't show me a single instance of Louis operating with such level of thinking and care in the ring. You know why? Because Louis was not fighting with guys who had 350-fight amateur careers, he was fighting with strongmen like Carnera who blobbed towards him with their hands down.

PS: Ward clowns on Louis skill-wise. You can't compare HW with lighter weight classes as far as skill goes, people tend to not care about skill much when they can flatline anybody on this planet with one punch.

 

Quarry vs Reno: 201lb v 250lb
Fraizer vs Mathis: 204lb vs 243lb
Mark Wils vs Greg Page: 221 vs 242lb
Bonavena vs Giorgetti: 210lb vs 236lb
Williams vs Johnson: 213lb vs 233lb
Folley vs Marhsall: 203lb vs 233lb
Chuvalo vs Turnbow: 220lb vs 240lb
Coetzee vs Schutte: 210lb vs 266lb
Ruddock vs Smith: 227lb vs 249lb
Weaver vs Tate: 207lb vs 232lb
Spinks vs Holmes and Cooney: 200lb vs 221lb and 238lb
Mike Tyson vs Tony Tubbs: 216lb vs 238lb
Mike Tyson vs Donovan Ruddock: 216lb vs 238lb
Holyfield vs Douglas: 208lb vs 246lb (Douglas was in better shape than most heavies today)
Past it Witherspoon vs Gonzalez: 224lb vs 250lb
Donald vs Gaines: 237lb vs 318lb


A lot more examples where those came from. I don't need to list 150 examples to get the point across, especially when you have no significant evidence for the contrary and your response will be further proof of that.

20lb weight difference is treated as astronomical below 200 pounds yet based on real life data when you get to around 200 or larger pounds you see way more examples of weight disparities this large or larger being overcome for obvious reasons. Stop ducking from the challenge as you usually do, go ahead and give me 15 examples of a 20 pound weight difference being overcome below heavyweight. The number will mostly cluster near 200 pounds if you aren't cherrypicking the data historically

 

JFC. The guy had just turned 21 two weeks prior and had turned pro a year and a half earlier. The lengths people will go to, to push their agenda.

 

Yes it’s convenient for the “Ali scene” Liston, Ali, Foreman and Frazier are spared… but per always Marciano is left on the outside looking in, justice for the Rock! Let’s drop the “law of diminishing returns” lower for the little guy it seems like it’s run democratically maybe we could start a campaign and include GGG too they’re roughly the same size anyway.

 

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Why don’t you kick it off first and time stamp / write up why Louis shows the better jab, timing, accuracy, ring IQ and combination punching? Like I’m on team Louis here but you should lead by example instead of making demands that are difficult to prove either way in a reasonable or in a conclusive sense, it’s very subjective.

 

Is this supposed to be some sort of brilliant display of boxing? They're just trading blows with very leaky defense.

I was very clear in my request, not sure if English is your first language? But since you want an example of Louis displaying skill above this level, sure.

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They made the claim, they have to back it up. All these bozos are doing is posting random highlights that cherry pick the best moments for a fighter and making sweeping generalizations like "people in smaller weight classes are automatically more skilled", um okay? So I guess Marcos Maidana would give Larry Holmes a boxing lesson?

 

Lead by example, give them direction in how you expect them to prove Canelo is better in all the ways you’re asking for? You should be able to show them all the counter examples if you stand by your own statement right?