Most impressive: Spinks over 48-0 Holmes , Or Usyk over Undefeated Fury?

NoNeck · Aug 13, 2025

Boxed Ears said: ↑

In recognition of the disparity between Valuev and Haye we can weed out how important the Usyk/Fury size difference is to this conversation. It's something, sure, but the quality of Holmes here makes the Spinks victory the clear winner. Fury is huge, that is of significance, and he is a unique type of talent for that size, but also among the least professional class of champions, which devalues that talent significantly. In short, when we are discussing significance and insignificance and whether something does or does not significantly or insignificantly signify significance or insignificance significantly or insignificantly enough, we must signify all of these factors significantly or we cannot even have an honest discussion on here. Not a significant one or one of any genuine and evident significance.
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Fergy · Aug 14, 2025

Mandela2039 said: ↑

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My thoughts exactly.

Fergy · Aug 14, 2025

Boxed Ears said: ↑

In recognition of the disparity between Valuev and Haye we can weed out how important the Usyk/Fury size difference is to this conversation. It's something, sure, but the quality of Holmes here makes the Spinks victory the clear winner. Fury is huge, that is of significance, and he is a unique type of talent for that size, but also among the least professional class of champions, which devalues that talent significantly. In short, when we are discussing significance and insignificance and whether something does or does not significantly or insignificantly signify significance or insignificance significantly or insignificantly enough, we must signify all of these factors significantly or we cannot even have an honest discussion on here. Not a significant one or one of any genuine and evident significance.
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I really tried Boxy.I read your post six times all the way through.... I still don't know what you said!!

PrimoGT · Aug 14, 2025

he grant said: ↑

Usyk .... Fury was still near the top of his game while Larry had already lost his legs ...
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All evidence points to Fury being at least
as past it as Holmes was.
Fury's legs were noticeably diminished. noted at Wallin fight and Fury's subsequent attempt to change to puncher style.

I can't understand how anyone can conclude Fury coming off so much inactivity and a 10-round split against Ngannou is more live than Holmes who beat Smith, demolished Bey and went 15 with Williams. Even if Holmes struggle to beat Williams that's far better form than Fury's.
I am not sure what has led to the conclusion.

PrimoGT · Aug 14, 2025

Apart from everything else, Holmes was a genuine all time great heavyweight. People criticised some of his challengers but had several wins over ones who were in the top 5.

Fury's challengers for his 8 year "reign" :

Sefer Seferi
Francesco Pianeta
Deontay Wilder
Tom Schwarz
Otto Wallin
Deontay Wilder
Deontay Wilder
Dillian Whyte
Derek Chisora
Francis Ngannou

This is weak.

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