Do you believe Otto Wallin was a top 10 heavyweight in the world ?

Maybe he was top 15-20 at best after he beat Breazeale and Gassiev. But never top 10 in my eyes ever.

 

Add Wilder, Joyce, Zhang and Hrgovic for good measure

 

If you can't admit to what little sense it makes, it says all we need to know.

 

LOL!

 

Usyk
Chisora
Joshua
Fury
Kabayel
Parker
Dubois
Wilder
Joyce
Zhang
Hrgovich
Miller
Ortiz
Ruiz
Ajagba
Sanchez
Bakole

^ 17 fighters who in 2023 would easily be a favorite over Wallin and are far more proven

3 fighters I think would beat Wallin in 2023 but are getting closer to his level:

Anderson
Pulev
Jalolov

So the real question is:

Was Otto Wallin ever, at any point in his career, a top 20 fighter? You could easily make a case that he was not.

There are some sad Joshua fanboys who are arguing Wallin was a top 5 fighter when Joshua beat him. You hate to see fans so warped by their rabid fanboyism that they cannot see reason. Happens to the worst of us, I guess.

 

Had him at the 10th spot for a brief period going into the Joshua fight on the basis of the win over Gassiev. Never thought that much of him as a fighter but at that time I personally couldn't think of 10 heavyweights that had recently gotten wins better than Wallins over Gassiev.

 

What rank did you have Gassiev at the time?

 

While I respect opinions can change, you actually ranked him #7 in this post from November 30th, 2023.

 

He's lost the plot on this one. As have a few others it seems.

Here is... well let's call it a straw poll from November 30th/December 1st, 2023:
How do you rank the current top 10 heavyweights? | Boxing News 24 Fan Forum

The majority of personal top 10s in that thread included Wallin it would seem

 

At 1 point, yes, but not now.

 

There's a lot of Makhmudov on those top 10 lists. Looks like a lot of people had fighters who were on the Day of Reckoning card it would seem.

Makhmudov is a top 5 TBRB fighter now. Send him an email.

 

Don't like those ones. Here are the fan rankings from BoxRec forum:


Re: BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - New Rankings Update!
Post by Ruthless-RKO » 29 Nov 2023, 05:02

The vote is over.

Here is the new rankings!!

Current ranking:
(C) Oleksandr Usyk - 21(14) 0 0 - next fight: 17.02.2024 vs. Tyson Fury - 34(24) 0 1 - (#2)

2. Tyson Fury - 34(24) 0 1 - next fight: 17.02.2024 vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 21(14) 0 0 - (

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3. Anthony Joshua - 26(23) 3(1) 0 - next fight: 23.12.2023 vs. Otto Wallin - 26(14) 1(0) 0 - (#7)

4. Zhilei Zhang - 24(21) 1(0) 1 - next fight: TBA

5. Filip Hrgovic - 16(13) 0 0 - next fight: 23.12.2023 vs. Mark De Mori - 41(36) 2(2) 2 - (Boxrec's #290)

6. Joe Joyce - 15(14) 2(2) 0 - next fight: TBA

7. Otto Wallin - 26(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: 23.12.2023 vs. Anthony Joshua - 26(23) 3(1) 0 - (#3)

8. Martin Bakole - 20(15) 1(1) 0 - next fight: TBA

9. Joseph Parker - 33(23) 3(1) 0 - next fight: 23.12.2023 vs. Deontay Wilder - 43(42) 2(2) 1 - (unranked, inactive)

10. Frank Sanchez - 23(16) 0 0 - next fight: 23.12.2023 vs. Junior Fa - 20(11) 2(1) 0 - (unranked, inactive)

11. Arslanbek Makhmudov - 18(17) 0 0 - next fight: 23.12.2023 vs. Agit Kabayel - 23(15) 0(0) 0 - (Boxrec's #23)

12. Efe Ajagba - 19(14) 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

13. Jared Anderson - 16(15) 0 0 - next fight: TBA

14. Daniel Dubois - 19(18) 2(2) 0 - next fight: 23.12.2023 vs. Jarrell Miller - 26(22) 0 1 - (Boxrec's #18)

15. Francis Ngannou - 0 1(0) 0 - next fight: TBA

 

Not sure of the exact placement, but not too highly. Still, he was a top champion at cruiser who since coming to heavyweight had been hurt by inactivity, but in the fights he did have he dispatched of his opponents as easily as he should've. Wallin was supposed to be his first real test at the weight and most expected Gassiev to beat him. Wallin outperformed expectations by winning pretty clearly despite the SD. That, along with an ok win over Breazale, a decent attempt against Fury while still being a prospect, and considering how weak the division was outside of the top 8-9 guys, was enough for him to slip into the top 10. He would have had harder time getting in to even the top 20 with the current division.