Is Tyson Fury Among Your Top Ten Greatest Heavyweights

This.

Plus the lack of rematch against Wlad puts a big, bold asterisk next to that win...

The fact Fury himself claimed he needed to be perfect to get that win and the fact Wlad was desperate to rematch and set the record straight?
It suggests both men probably thought the rematch would go the other way.

Doesn't necessarily mean it would, but it's poor form for an underdog to beat the champ and refuse to prove it wasn't a fluke.


You're absolutely spot on with the limited quality on his resume, the wasted prime...

And of course, we have the numerous asterisks where if you ran his career again it probably couldn't have gone any better than it did - but it could easily have gone quite a bit worse.


Fury's been a really good fighter - but he's also left a lot of places where he can be questioned, and a lot of that is his own fault. Oh well.

 

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He should have been Top 10 all time

But sadly he is not. Too few risky opponents.

What a waste

 

I voted no and cant add to this, spot on.

 

Oh my lord, no.

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If he comes back and wins a couple against Joshua, we'll talk top 15-20. But it is looking increasingly like he's done, so 25-35, as it gets very subjective the further down you go.

 

Perfectly put. Fury has neither the longevity or the depth of resume to sit alongside the likes of Ali etc. But it's more than that - his conduct as champion, in terms of seeking out tough opposition and proving himself, is as poor as any I can remember. People like Ali, for example, who dispatched every viable challenger throughout the 1960s and '70s, put Fury to shame. And we shouldn't reward him for his poor choices and conduct by putting him in that elite group. But the worst thing is he had the talent to achieve way more than he did. And he wasted it.

 

No. He was a very good boxer but not an all time great. His resume over such a long career is very underwhelming.
He was a clever boxer and big, awkward and with a lot of heart.
But wasted a lot of time not fighting anyone. He has old Klitschko and maybe 2 or 3 other ranked heavyweights in his resume. Over a 16 year career.

 

The resume is so thin, tbh he has done great for himself off beating a old Wlad who never won another fight and Wilder 2x who was a hype train but when you say his third best win is Whyte who was washed at the time it speaks volumes.

 

It's not gonna look too good for him on paper now because he lost to Usyk x2 and didn't have that many top victories. If he'd beaten Usyk at least once it would have helped big time.

I would say he has/had the ability to beat all of the 'ATG' HW's. That doesn't mean he 100% does, but I think it's clear he had the attributes to do so on his night. Even with the Usyk fight, without getting concussed months before he might have taken that punch and won a close decision.

It's not all his fault though. Haye pulled out, Vitali was retired, AJ dodged a couple of times when it meant something, Povetkin wasn't on the title path. The Wlad rematch was the only one where you can pin it on Fury but by then Wlad was old and people wouldn't have given him much cred for it. Dubious got beaten by Joyce and Usyk. Zhang was ducking the hell out of the division until he was forty.

The question is who was he really supposed to fight besides AJ, it's hard to find all these other 'big fights' for him. They don't exist. He really needed the Usyk win.

 

Yes and he's the love of my life

 

If I was being very generous I might put him around 20-30, but maybe not.

 

Pretty much.

Fury absolutely had the potential to cement himself as a top 10 guy for both resume and h2h ratings/skill evaluation. But he squandered his talent and wasted everyone's time.

Now, future generations will primarily remember him for:

-uppercutting himself in the face
-an incredibly boring fight with an ancient Wladmir
-gaining enough weight to qualify as a sumo wrestler and going on coke binges whilst disappearing from the sport for years
-going life and death with the limited Wilder
-nearly losing to an inexperienced MMA fighter
-A pointless trilogy with Derrick Chisora,
-Somehow never facing Joshua or Parker.
-Losing to an older 40 lbs lighter Usyk...twice

 

Absolutely no chance.

 

that is why he is so impressive, the resume is so crap but he would have 100's of million in the bank... well managed, well played.