Mayweather claims he is greater than Ali: "With all due respect, that's how it is"

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  1. ThatOne

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    I have Ali 8-1 in big fights with the 1 having an asterisk the size of Alaska.
     
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  2. ThatOne

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    That's a lil unfair, but I never got the pound for pound thing .
     
  3. NoNeck

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    Vitali went something like 10-0 in title fights while old and coming off a long layoff. Tip toes.
     
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  4. themaster458

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    He lost to Frazier and Norton arguably never beat Norton
     
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  5. ThatOne

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    I don't really care who thinks who is better. It's a mug's game. I just don't believe it's fair to evaluate Muhammad Ali's career without noting he was prohibited from practicing his profession in what would have been his athletic prime for a convinction which was overturned by the Supreme Court of the United States of America.
     
  6. Yorbals

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    Floyd is Floyd.
    He’ll still try to be relevant walking round with a posse of bodyguards when he’s 80 years old.
     
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  7. ThatOne

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    He lost to Frazier after being banished from boxing for three years and seven months in what would have been his athletic prime, a banishment for a criminal conviction that was eventually overrurned by the Supreme Court of the United States of America. As to the Norton trilogy arguing about boxing decisions is a mug's game.
     
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  8. Journeyman92

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    Ali didn’t either
     
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  9. themaster458

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    You're ignoring he was still in his athletic prime being 29 at the time. You're also talking like he went straight into the fight rather then having 2 fights to get rid of ring rust having more in ring time then Frazier did in his last two fight. You're also pretending like he didn't train during his exile when he did and also had exhibitions to stay in fighting shape. All this just comes of as excuses for why Ali's loses shouldn't count but I'm sure you wouldn't apply the same standards to any other fighter.
     
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  10. Journeyman92

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    Facts are Ali trained consistently in “Exile” and had two tube ups, now Quarry didn’t last long but a guy who has been boxing since he was 12? Needs the camp to get his timing down, fighting to “get sharp” need not apply, in hard sparring he’d get right for the bout he was as good as he was going to be at that age for Frazier and… HE LOST end of, he didn’t roll off the couch he had two camps, two fights and was in his physical prime.
     
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  11. ThatOne

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    Do you believe s professional athlete can be banished from participating in his or her sport from the age of 25 to the age of 29 and still be as effective as they were when they were 25 ? If that's the case why don't professional athletes take similar hiatuses? I'm watching a documentary on the Dallas Cowboys on Netflix. Emmitt Smith has a prominent role. Do you think if he was banished from football for three and one half seasons from when he was 25-29 years old he'd still be the league's leading rusher?
     
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  12. themaster458

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    If he's training like Ali was then it shouldn't matter Vitali was off for 4 years and came back and looked just as good as he did before he left same with Floyd when he took time off. But of course its only Ali that people make excuses for despite still being in his athletic prime.
     
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  13. ThatOne

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    Were any of Floyd's hiatuses nearly as long as three years and seven months? Were they involuntary? And did they come in the years of what would have been his athletic prime?
     
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  14. themaster458

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    Again all of this is excuses. Fact of the matter is both Ali and Frazier were in great shape in the FOTC and Frazier showed he was better end of story.
     
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  15. ThatOne

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    He was in better shape in 1967 when he was banished from boxing for three years and seven months in what would have been his prime. In any case he won the rematch and the rubber match by stoppage. ON EDIT - Don't take my word for it. George Chuvalo and Floyd Patterson both fought the pre and post exile iterations of Muhammad Ali and said the former was better.
     
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