Does Holyfield go 4-0 with the heavies in this photo with him?

He beats Frazier, Patterson, and Norton, and he wins at least one match against Ali.

 

He beats Patterson and Norton. Loses to Ali. Frazier is a 50/50 fight

 

Old man Holmes had a better defence

 

Patterson gets ripped to shreds sadly he’d probably be most comfortable at 168lbs… Norton is too fragile, Holyfield has the style to step in and bust him up (Holy couldn’t punch overly hard but Garcia…) Frazier vs Holyfield is a war, I back Holyfield but would be unsurprised if Frazier won… I think Alk stylistically is all wrong for Commander Evander, how do you see that fight?

 

I agree about Ali. Too fast. Polished outside game which would prevent Evander from getting close enough to do what he does best. He was well accustomed to going 15 rounds and had a battle tested chin. I see Ali winning a comfortable decision.

Sidenote: I favor Holy to beat Norton as do you. But I actually think it would be competitive. I don’t factor the Garcia fight into much . Ken was a 16 fight prospect and from what I understand was gassed in that fight. Garcia wasn’t a bum either. At one point later he was ranked #2 by the WBA before Terrell derailed him

 

I can see Ali fighting Holyfield in my head pretty clearly and it doesn’t look good for EH… I think If Holy gets in, yes he’d go to work but Ali just had a great jab and great legs he’d stick him with ledf, tie up, knot him with feints and do all the damage IMO, I think Holyfield would just come up short with his best work and Ali hits him too much to mount an argument for EH, I also think Usyk beats Holyfield.

 

Agree on Ali. Undecided about Usyk but it could happen

 

Holyfield could punch well with both hands, I think he could jab with Ali and he had the quickness to use his right hand, hook, and uppercuts when he had Ali thinking about the jab. He is a guy that Ali would have problems trying to clinch/hold or wrap his arm around his neck. Holyfield could fight as dirty as Ali and he wouldn't be just stalling, he'd be inflicting damage.

I don't think Ali had any offensive threat to Holyfield as far as hurting him, and that would make EH more apt to open up offensively. Holyfield had good, quick combinations on the inside and he could fight at all ranges, the offense would be coming at Ali from both sides and much quicker than any fighter Ali had faced that was close to his size. EH was nimble on his feet too with excellent footwork.

I suspect that if Ali held excessively against EH he'd be discouraged by the top of EH's head, his shoulders, and when he pulled EH's head down, he might find that body shots aimed at his midsection would start going lower until he learned to not pull the head down. IMO, if Ali wanted a boxing match EH could win that and if Ali wanted to clinch and hold as he normally did, EH would have the answers to that too. I don't see any way Ali could get EH's respect, I don't think he has the power to keep EH away and I wouldn't be surprised if EH beat him at all ranges.

 

Frazier by Knockout
67 Ali by late TKO
74 Ali by decision
Norton by decision

Holyfield wins on points aganst Patterson in a competitive fight

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I like this, ima summon the other coaches to hear there opinion on this bout… @Saintpat and @greynotsoold as the other smart guys here would ya please weigh in?

 

As usual, Pat M makes very valid points.
Evading the jab wasn't a strong point of Holyfield's game. And Evander didn't exactly set the world on fire against Holmes, did he? Ali, if we are talking about the guy that fought Foreman, could certainly hurt Holyfield with a right hand and Holyfield fought tight.
If we are talking about the Ali from the 60s, then he would be fighting the Holyfield that was a cruiserweight. I think Ali would have troubles there. I don't believe that he could move enough to stay away from that Holyfield and I don't think that 'young' Ali was prepared to fight up close.
When Ali got older he got pretty good at a spoiler style and fighting in spurts. Holmes proved that Holyfield had struggles there. A lot of that was because, when Evander moved up, his stamina declined because he was very tight when he fought. So they would both fight in spurts.

 

Considering they’re all 60 at the time he prob would have beat them. Prime for prime no chance