In Classic I think it’s definitely Liston…there seems to be at least one new thread about him every week.
The misunderstood warrior poet who stalked women impersonating a cop at night and beat up civilians for petty change “GOAT”… of guys who beat up fighters 20lbs lighter who wouldn’t fight at HW today, some of them would be 168lbs FFS lol.
As I’ve said a lot now, I value who beats who at their prime more than number of title defences. Add in Foreman’s second career to his prime and to me, there is a top 5 heavy. Fact is Foreman ran in to uncle Muhammad, tough breaks for him
I heard those civilians referred to Sonny as godfather whilst being robbed, they knew there was only Ali could outbox him, and Foreman could outman him. They were in the presence of greatness, as Sonny scowled on down the road with their loose change in his pockets they couldn’t help say ‘god bless that man’
So basically being the second best fighter of an era makes you top ten as long as you also lose to Ali. Good to know
You do realize that when you imagine 'incitement' and claim it as proof, you're still projecting, right (even if onto nothing more than an avatar) ? That's why the truth itself doesn't matter to you anymore - it's all about you chasing self-validation.
This The only guy he has fought at heavy that wasn't fat and in unacceptable shape was AJ, his heavy resume is repeat past it British fighters that were never close to the level of Lewis even in their prime, guys that Ali would toy with and Tyson would blast out in the first round
Being the second best in Ali’s era certainly helps. Especially if you can destroy the other prime fighters in that division easier than probably any other heavy that lived and come back and boss **** at 45 and win a proper title from an unbeaten champ.
Oh my god the way people were and still are on this guy's dick is crazy, Manny is a legend but you got some people who act like hes Filipino Jesus, for Jim Lamply great commentator but my god he was ****ing unlistenable during a Manny fight.
Having "hidden depths" definitely gets talked about way too much sometimes a scumbag is a scumbag. Liston and Galento were ****ing scumbags.