Joe Bugner dies

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  1. ipswich express

    ipswich express Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was lucky enough to meet Joe when I was about 16 or so. He was training in the Police Citizen’s Youth Club down the Gold Coast and I went in to train. What an absolute privilege to train alongside a bit of a living legend as a teenage fight fan.


    After training I was lucky enough to get to chat to Joe. I think he was pretty impressed that a kid in the late 90s was asking him questions about facing the likes of Ron Lyle and Earnie Shavers. I kind of stayed away from asking about Ali and Frazier in a childish attempt to impress him.


    I think it worked! Joe honestly spoke near non-stop for the best part of an hour. We were the only ones left outside the gym and he was still talking about how unpopular beating Henry Cooper was in Britain at the time! By the end he was offering me a lift back to where I was staying, something he clearly didn’t have to do at all.


    I was also lucky enough to attend his fight with Colin Wilson for the Australian Heavyweight title in 1998. Joe put on a boxing lesson against his much younger and willing opponent. I also sat ringside the same year for his WBF title bout against Bonecrusher Smith. Bonecrusher caught Joe with a wild right hand with the very first punch of the fight. Somehow during that round he dislocated his shoulder and was forced to retire on his stool. I was actually doing work experience at a local newspaper and managed to get a press pass. At the post fight presser Joe, ever the charismatic entertainer, called out both Holyfield and Tyson! Haha.


    RIP Joe and thanks for the memories.
     
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  2. TNSNO1878

    TNSNO1878 Member Full Member

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    RIP Joe, great fighter.
     
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  3. The Cryptkeeper

    The Cryptkeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    RIP legend.

    Excellent fighter and as @Dangerwood84 said, loved here in Australia.

    Did a turn in cult Aussie crime-comedy film Gettin’ Square. Worth a look if you can find it.
     
  4. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    RIP Joe. Always liked him.
     
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  5. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sorry to hear that your mum has that rotten disease,Barrf. My aunt had it too.
     
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  6. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well put, Shootlow. Great job!
     
  7. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It is horrible, Stevie
     
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  8. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    My heart goes out to her, Barrf
     
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  9. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

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    Sorry to hear that.

    Regrettably most families have members who are affected in some way.

    The longer life expectancy grows, the more cases will occur.

    Hope your mother can lead as active and enjoyable life as possible.
     
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  10. Boxing_Fan101

    Boxing_Fan101 Undisputed Available bookgoodies.com/a/1068623705 Full Member

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    RIP One of the last fighters still alive who shared a ring with Ali
     
  11. heerko koois

    heerko koois Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How many are still alive ? Holmes and Lubbers i know of
     
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  12. Boxing_Fan101

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    Think that's it and somehow both promoters of the Thrilla in Manilla and Rumble in the Jungle are still going into their 90's
     
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  13. Serge

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    The Best I Faced: Joe Bugner

    Editor's note: Former heavyweight contender Joe Bugner died Monday, Sept. 1 at 75. This "The Best I Faced" feature was originally published in 2013.

    Joe Bugner never asked to be the villain. That role was created for him, in large part by the British media and the matchups in which he participated. He took on heroes, foreign and domestic, and instead of rallying behind him, the press always found a reason to criticize.

    Bugner never forgot it and never forgave it.

    His career was exceptional. He won the British and Commonwealth heavyweight titles twice, the European title three times, fought 27 rounds with Muhammad Ali, rocked Joe Frazier to his heels, and posted terrific victories over top contenders like Mac Foster, Jimmy Ellis, and Jose Luis Garcia.

    Years past his prime, the Hungarian-born Brit remained competitive against a new breed of heavyweight and, for the most part, acquitted himself well.

    His mistake? In 1971, at 21 years of age, he claimed a close and controversial decision over a national treasure in Henry Cooper. The British public, fuelled by a potent media backlash, turned on him.


    “Cooper and I never really got on well,” Bugner told The Ring in 2013. “I was the one who dethroned him, and that didn’t sit well with the media. We were just two very different people, and that was the start of the downward spiral.

    “Years later, Henry and I were on a radio show shortly before he passed away, and the interviewer was praising him continuously. I said, ‘Well, I beat him.’ Then we got on to Henry’s knighthood, and I was asked if I would accept one. I said no because I get called ‘Sir’ all over the world.”

    Sometimes it’s easy to forget that the personalities, whom we watch from the comfort of a ringside seat or on television, are born fighters. Bugner was vilified by some of the UK’s most established and respected members of the media, and he hit back. Is that really a surprise?

    Still, despite his natural instinct to defend himself, the experience was painful.

    “It literally hurt,” he said. “Why force me out when I’m an athlete representing Great Britain? When I beat Cooper, I was no longer British, I was a Hungarian refugee. That was just ridiculous.

    “After the second Ali fight, the same individuals said I was over in Kuala Lumpur on holiday. Ali was in hospital with dehydration, we had went 15 rounds in searing heat, but I was having the time of my life, apparently.

    “It made me sick, and the British media were dogs in those days. Quote me on that.”

    After a 31-year professional career, Bugner finally retired in 1999. As the years have passed, his achievements have been recognized by a new generation and, like the legendary Larry Holmes, he has gained the respect he deserved years after hanging up the gloves.

    “I’ve been asked to come over to England, but I still carry a bit of pain,” said Bugner, who now resides in Australia. “A big part of me would love to come back, do some talks and prove that I’m still sensible enough to say a few words. It’s just hard for me.

    “That said, I’ve always loved the British fight fans, and many of them followed me around the world.”

    The Ring spoke to a vastly underrated fighter who, at 63 years of age, sounded as if he’d never taken a punch in his life despite having endured three decades in the prize ring.

    BEST OVERALL


    Muhammad Ali: [He] was the greatest of all time, in my opinion. What made him so special was that he was phenomenal in and out of the ring. Ali could sell anything to anyone, so he marketed his own fights. In that respect, he was a promoter’s dream.

    I recall both fights like they were yesterday and had studied this legend for years before facing him. He wasn’t champion when we met the first time, in Las Vegas in 1973, and both of us were looking for a world title fight.

    I had known him since 1969, when we sparred together, and by the time we faced off, I’d had 48 professional fights and was considered a fully mature heavyweight. Still, on the downside, I was only 22 years old, and here was Ali, who was able to dictate and dominate a fight at will.

    I tried very hard to overcome him, but there was no point going all out on the attack because he would pick me off with ease. In truth, I fought like a poor man’s Ali and picked my times to box smart.

    I just wasn’t as smart or as quick as he was.

    BEST BOXER

    Ali: I take pride in the fact that a lot of people in Las Vegas thought our first fight was closer than the judges had it, but Ali definitely won.

    Speed-wise, he was on the ball, and technically, he was just awesome. I tried to out-jab him, but once he had you on the end of his own left hand, he could bring out all these combinations, from nowhere, leaving fans and opponents in awe.

    BEST PUNCHER

    Earnie Shavers: He was an enormous puncher, but I have a real issue with that fight because of a conversation Shavers and I had years later. Apparently, Don King told Earnie to get me out of that ring by any means necessary and not to worry about disqualification.

    Now if you watch the fight, I get caught with a good right hand in round two, but a follow-up head butt, which the referee didn’t pick up on, caused a serious cut. That wound above my left eye required 14 stitches and it wasn’t from a punch.

    Now, take into account that Don King was a creature of incredible power within the boxing world, and he played dirty as far as I’m concerned. I didn’t like him from the word go. End of story.

    I also have to say that the most vicious and relentless fighter on the planet, in those days, was "Smokin" Joe Frazier.

    BEST DEFENSE

    Ali: So many people ask why I couldn’t land on him when his hands were low. I always explain that he was the best part of two meters away from me when he did that. Ali would throw punches as his legs were bringing him in, which was a gift.

    Joe Frazier bobbed and weaved really well, but I was able to find the target. If I’m to be brutally honest, I thought I won that fight on a very close decision. Harry Gibbs (referee and sole official scorer of the Frazier-Bugner fight) had awarded me the decision over Henry Cooper two years earlier and was given a horrendous time by the British media for doing so. In my mind, he didn’t want to give me the Frazier fight for fear of a repeat backlash.

    FASTEST HANDS

    Ali: He was in his early 30s both times we fought and still retained that remarkable hand speed, plus he knew me so well. The other thing is that Ali could read you, and that only added to the natural speed he already had. When I set myself to punch, Ali seemed to know what was coming, and he responded in a flash. For example, in the first fight, I caught him with a beautiful right hand and he said, "Damn, good punch, white boy. Do it again!" Now, I was only 22 years old, which meant I was stupid enough to try it and he caught me with four solid punches to the jaw. The reactions, the speed, and the timing were brilliant.

    FASTEST FEET

    Ali: I know it might get boring (laughs), but there is no other contender in this one. Ali danced in the later rounds of both our fights, and you must remember that the heat was incredible in the rematch. That tells you that he wasn’t just fit, he was super-fit, and his feet were such a huge asset.

    Ali respected me a lot and knew I could trouble him when he least expected it. I took pride in that because he was, in my opinion, the greatest athlete in the world at the time. If you weren’t ready for him, then he would tear you to pieces.

    BEST CHIN

    Joe Frazier: He was so tough, and I landed everything I had in that fight. He dropped me in round 10 with a huge left hook, and I remember looking at (manager) Andy Smith, who gave me the signal to get up. I got to my feet, and suddenly Joe left himself wide open. I caught him with a perfect right hand on the button; his leg went from under him, and his knee almost touched the canvas.

    Other than that moment, Joe took everything I had for 12 rounds. He had a really good chin.

    BEST JAB

    Ali: I was very fortunate in that I had learned a great deal from him in 1969 and practiced over a four-year period before we faced each other. I learned from the best, and the jab was one of the main things I tried to emulate.

    That gave me something that I could use in our fight.

    STRONGEST

    Ron Lyle: He was a very strong opponent. Although I lost a close decision, the bottom line is close isn’t good enough.

    Being honest, I shouldn’t have took that fight. I had just won the British, Commonwealth and European titles after knocking out Richard Dunn in one round, and mentally I wasn’t focused on Lyle. I blame myself for that, but there was a lot of pressure to fight because a huge amount of money was on the line.

    We didn’t like each other, no doubt about that, but I was still young myself and not the sharpest tool in the box (laughs).

    SMARTEST

    Ali: Intelligence-wise, in the ring and out, he was incredible. Before both our fights, he asked me to give him a wink if a member of the press was nearby, and I suppose I should have known better. I winked at him, and suddenly he jumped out of his chair and screamed, "He just called me a ******!" I was stunned, just a kid at the time, and didn’t know what to say.

    Moments later, Ali came over to me and said, "Hey Joe Bugner. Was I good?" I told him he’d made me look like a racist, and he replied, "That was the whole idea. Joe Bugner, we’re selling tickets!"

    He was close to the bone, but there was always method behind his madness.

    https://ringmagazine.com/en/news/the-best-i-faced-joe-bugner-1
     
  14. davidjay

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    Richard Dunn's still around.