Is Wladimir Klitschko a favorite over prime George Foreman and Sonny Liston H2H

Cute little rant. Shame how you can do the same thing to Waldo, but even better.

Wladimir Klitschko:

DaVarryl Williamson (nobody, unranked and got KO'd in 1 by guys like Joe Mesi)

Eliseo Castillo (nobody, he was 18-0 but against guys that are not household names in their own home)

Samuel Peter (Big, slow, fat, crude oaf, couldn't even properly beat a 50 lbs overweight Middleweight who had no other way of fighting than in the pocket by that point)

Chris Byrd (Claim to fame is beating Wlad's overrated brother, poor man's Jersey Joe Walcott)

Calvin Brock (As Fritzie Zivic would have said "anybody named Calvin Brock can't fight worth ****")

Ray Austin (His family is probably more familar with Austin Powers)

Lamon Brewster (Claim to fame is knocking out of a prime Wlad, sad really)

Sultan Ibragimov (claim to fame is beating meme Shannon Briggs and 45 year old Holyfield)

Tony Thompson x2 (Checked his boxrec, haven't seen so many single stars since my grandma reviewed every app she's ever used)

Hasim Rahman (old and coming off an injury, would never beat anybody noteworthy ever again)

Ruslan Chagaev (his only good win is 7 feet tall Shrek that got a gift vs fossil Holyfield)

Samuel Peter (Refer to the original)

Jean Marc Mormeck (Dinosaur Cruiserweight)

Tony Thompson (Refer to the original)

Mariuz Wach (Ass)

Francesco Panieta (About as likely to fight as a Pinata)

Alex Leapai (Sounds like a disease, Fritzie Zivic does not approve)

Bryant Jennings (Read Thompson).

Byrd one is a joke, tbf.

 

I didn't suggest it wasn't fair to mention Vitali's ledger; just that it wasn't a suitable measuring stick for who was better between he and Wlad.

 

Comparing legit contenders and champs with journeymen is pretty disingenuous ngl

 

No way does Foreman or Holmes get stopped by Corrie Sanders in 2 rounds.These guys had a better chin than
Wlad.Deal with it.

 

So basically when Wlad does anything its illegal and bad. When Ward does anything its "Roughhouse tactics are fine". I'm sorry bro but that's not how things work you can't have your cake and eat it especially when Ward does blatantly illegal things while Wlad at most does grey things that are up to the referees discretion to call out as shown here:

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But I guess this is all okay because "Roughhouse tactics are fine" but clinching to reset action (Which Ward did plenty as well btw going so far as to tackle Kovalev when he was hurt in their first fight) is not okay. I guess the only standards you seem to have is double standard.

 

LOL ! Of course there is a reason.I'm referring to to Mr Foreman's first career.Nothing underhand,no hidden aganda.
Not exactly complicated is it ?

 

What are you telling me for ? Tell it to NoNeck, who classified Soldier Bartfield as crappy opposition, despite having wins over P4P ATG's Greb, Britton x2, Lewis x2. He also beat contenders/champs like Duffy and McCoy, and he even had a genuine draw vs Mike Gibbons.

He lost plenty, but that's what happens when you have several rematches against such opposition, face other world class guys like O'Dowd and Ratner, and continue to fight them even when you're way past it.

He was a Welterweight/small Middleweight btw, Benny Leonard was a Lightweight, and he's still 4-0 against him. Granted, he was past it for most of these fights, but the first time they fought was not even a full year after Bartfield scored a win over Britton and a draw with Greb. That first win over Bartfield alone is probably better than any of Wlad's.

 

I sense a discussion about Greb and the resume old timers vs Wlad's on the way as the new topic

 

And yet any of Wlad's would probably beat him
I'm of course being cheeky but it does get to the broader point which is I don't think comparing a LW in different era to Wlad in the modern one is a fair comparison. Louis is a better one and you might disagree but I would say Wlad's competition is better H2H then any of Louis especially since most of his opponents wouldn't even be HWs today and the few that would don't look particularly great.

 

Pianeta and Castillo (a comeback fight) were the only really bad ones.

 

It would be entirely possible if they shared the same era. Watch the Nick Wells fight.

 

The reasons that ChatGPT selected him are likely that he was racking up losses in the years heading into the Leonard fight and there’s enough data for it to actually generate a response about him.

There a lot of total unknowns in his streak and ChatGPT skips them because there’s nothing known about them. See his record for yourself.

 

Why do you excuse Wlad on his loss against Purrity saying that he was green and then turn around and bash Holmes for losing to Nick Wells in the AMATEURS

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To my knowledge and experience, i have YET to encounter someone who praises Floyd, Hopkins or Ward because of their strategic use of the clinch

 

You've never seen people praise Hopkins for being crafty? That's part of his craft lol