Is Wladimir Klitschko a favorite over prime George Foreman and Sonny Liston H2H

You did in fact post an opinion.

You posted a source stating the fight didn't happen because Valuev's manager wanted more money. Presumably, you agreed with the information in this source which means your opinion is that it was Valuev's manager's fault.

Stop acting like a child.

 

At no point did I put words in your mouth or claim something about Wladmir that blatantly isn't true.

 

I posted the result of a ChatGPT query. That is not my opinion, whereas you took a deep dive to find some articles that supported your preconceived viewpoint.

 

You insulted me, nitpicked minor points to ignore larger ones and repeatedly claimed i wasnt addressing your points when I was. You also said multiple false things about Wlad the most blatant being his bad defense. But sure man keep telling yourself that. You insulted me, nitpicked minor points to ignore larger ones and repeatedly claimed i wasnt addressing your points when I was. You also said multiple false things about Wlad the most blatant being his bad defense. But sure man keep telling yourself that.

 

Dear o' dear. You hatch one disingenuous little plot, it fails, so you crawl along onto another.

Why don't you tell me who Wlad beat that as as good as Barny Ross, Lou Ambers and Baby Arizmendi. How about Harold Johnson? Jack Britton? One could go on. What ATG's did Wlad conquer in his run? Facing elite fighters make streaks just a weeeeee little bit tougher than facing average contender level opponents. Besides not facing the best or next best heavyweight of his era and getting flattened by three unrated opponents, it's the main reason all those ATG's are rated so far above him.

 

None of that is the "pot calling the kettle black" because, again, I wasn't putting words in your mouth. It is a fact that you claimed my argument was that Wladmir would just stand there and "let Foreman do what he wants". That's a strawman. For someone who obsesses over looking up logic fallacies, it's quite ironic you're guilty of using them all the time when backed into a corner. Funny how you failed to address this while replying and are now pushing the victim narrative.

Wladmir is not some defensive wizard. He relied heavily on clinching and retreating when hurt. This is evident on film. Put it to a vote on literally any boxing forum and they would agree. So no, I wasn't saying anything untrue.

Never nit-picked minor points either, I focused on the same things throughout the entire discussion. Wladmir needing to deal with someone parrying his jab, launching powerful body shots, and cutting off the ring aren't "minor points".

Lastly, me saying you're hard headed and failed to properly address several things aren't insults, they're factual observations multiple people have made. You're mad because I pointed it out and now you're projecting hard because you never accept when you're wrong or called out for arguing in bad faith.

You.

Do

This.

All.

The.

Time.

 

How does it work exactly? For each Barney Ross you get a Joey Brown, Chalky Wright, Johnny Jones, Joe Marciente, and Joey Chavez? Am I understanding it correctly?

 

Projection 101. Why do you people always do this when you can't respond to my points lol

 

This guy said the fury -wlad illegal canvas situation was a myth. No point debating with someone who lies so flagrantly.

Wlads used to the ocapuss grab constantly to compensate for poor defensive technique.

 

Case in point

 

I responded to everything. You don't know what projection is.

Care to show me where I said Wladmir would just "let Foreman do what he wants executing his game plan for free"...?

 

The funniest thing about this is him crying victim after blatantly lying and putting words in my mouth. Yet he constantly cries if he suspects someone is arguing in bad faith.

He's simply incapable of accepting criticism towards Wladmir or any boxer he likes. Everyone with a pair of functioning eyes knows he relies heavily on clinching for defense.

 

Wlads sheer size is the problem.
A Foreman at 220lbs ish is a small guy by the standards Wlad fought. But he did loose to Brewster and Sanders and Foreman in his prime is better and hits harder than Brewster.
Wlad had no inside game, Foreman could hit to the body and a brutal uppercut. Prime for Prime i'd lean towards George.

 

It's called implication. I was talking about the logical result of what you've been saying.

The game plan you laid out for Foreman is only possible if Wladimir can't actually do anything to stop him, in other words if Foreman gets a free pass. That's the implicit weakness in your scenario that you refuse to acknowledge.

If your intelligence is so lacking that you can only understand what's directly stated, without the ability to make a simple inference, then I'm sorry, but the fault here is with your reasoning, not mine.

 

Just like you started crying the moment I point out why your logic is flawed and you couldn't actually address my points?

GCC not accuse someone of something he himself is guilty of challenge. Literally impossible