Oleksandr Usyk Vs Bud Crawford (resume and accomplishments)

Crawford was older than probably everyone he’s fought in the last five years. Crawford is a natural welter and not a natural 154. I went to Crawford’s fights with Madrimov and Mean Machine. He was way smaller than Madrimov and about the same as Mean Machine.

 

I think it’s a better win as well strictly speaking. Spence was higher than AJ on the P4P list, and Bud won the fight more convincingly than Usyk did. BUT, 220 Usyk beating 250 AJ on the road is worthy of being recognised as a better objective P4P win in my opinion. Especially as Usyk was the underdog. Crawford never was.

 

So was Usyk. And Usyk was objectively outweighed by 15lbs or more routinely. That has never happened with Crawford. And you can literally google the fight night weights of Bud and Madrimov when they fought each other. Bud was heavier. Not by much, but heavier all the same. I’m not being a dick, but what you are saying is factually inaccurate.

 

The concept that you can’t play this game for Crawford without also playing it for Usyk seems to have flown totally over your head.

 

I don’t need to google the fact that Usyk didn’t rehydrate to 280lbs when he fought Fury either time. That would be ridiculous, and you know it.

If you’re talking about his cruiserweight days all of a sudden, I have to ask: “why only just now”?

Outweighing someone by a bit in or around your natural weight class is part and parcel of the very nature of having different bodily dimensions, different genetics etc. I don’t have a problem with that (as long as you’re not a weight bully like Haney). If 2 fighters make the weight healthily and have a natural variance of a few pounds between one another come fight night, that’s not “giving up weight”.

All I did was point out that you were presented with a fact, you ignored it, and then continued to proclaim something not-factual in respect of Crawford’s weight in his fight with Madrimov. Crawford was heavier on the night. Even if the weights were reversed, Crawford wouldn’t have been “giving up weight” because there was less than 1lb in it. A long-ish wee is 1lb.

 

Terence Crawford

Weight matters less at heavyweight than other weight classes

Dubios stopped Miller who is nearly 100 pounds heavier than him

Also at heavyweight the fighters gas tanks are poor which plays into Usyks advantage

Holyfield (and Haye to a certain extent) have shown that Cruiserweights can move up to Heavyweight and overcome a size disatvantage

For Crawford to be the Lightweight and Super Middleweight champion while beating an undisputed super middleweight champion who has never lost is unprecedented

 

Its very easy to forget that Cruiserweight division at the time Usyk reigned due to his Heavyweight run. Honestly, one of my favourite divisions in boxing at that time. It was stacked. To do what Usyk did at Cruiserweight, in the manner he did it, and the fighters he was was beating... Then to go up into a division, where hes at such a disadvantage in physical size, in a division where the chance of a knockout shot is so incredibly high, at a time where the Champions are just giants in comparison.. He didnt give these Heavyweights one chance to land a knockout shot, he gave them TWO chances, and beat them twice.

Bud has gone through the weights, granted, but hes physically within the natural dimensions for them weight classes. Usyk entered the land of the giants.

I love Bud Crawford as much as the next guy, but i will bow to Usyk as the King of this generation.

 

To answer the question, I think Usyk has the better resume, but I'm torn about who is the better fighter H2H. Both are extremely skilled fighters. Usyk is probably more athletic of the two. His movement and reflexes for a man his size is unbelievable. Crawford has the edge in power though. Usyk isn't a pillow fist, but I think he's got a styles kryptonite that Crawford doesn't have. I think a prime Iron Mike tears through Usyk with ease. Mike would cut through you like butter if you can't really bang.

 

Uh, no we don't because their careers are not done yet. Quite a number have significant legacies, and are a win or two away.

 

It's not happening. Fury is not fighting top guys unless Usyk rematches him, he knows he's old. Joshua is looking for a Jake Paul payday. Dubois is destined to be a gatekeeper for the next generation. As of now, 0 greats.

Honestly, Fury beating joshua wouldn't even mean much at this point. Fury is also very smart for retiring after losing to Usyk, he knew he was on his way out and went out against the #1 heavyweight

 

So gain, you are omniscient, just like saying that its all right that Jones was busted taking PEDs because everyone is. Whatever. You aren't omniscient.

Look, some consider Fury, Joshua and even Briedis great already. I do not. But whether they have a few more fights and break out or not is not up to you. We simply don't know how Usyk's legacy is going to turn out.

 

I'm not naive, by your logic nobody is taking steroids until they get caught. At best you can just say "we don't know" Fact is most of them are on illegal substances, Olympic studies prove it.

Anyone who considers them all time greats needs their head checked.