Reality Check Time! Oleksandr Usyk is Still The P4P Number One Fighter On The Planet. This Is Why...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by CST80, Sep 15, 2025 at 10:37 PM.


  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    The brain rot that's infected most Millennials and Gen Z kds.

    You go low, and I'll go lower than you could ever imagine. I don't care if you insult me, but when you insult me and add nothing to the discussion and then start a thread whining about haters. You deserve all the ridicule that comes your way.
     
  2. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    LOL can you repeat this in English?
    The first time you quoted me you told me to STFU so you are obviously a disrespectful little puke. I suggest you pay more attention in school kid.
     
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  3. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    I didn’t bring up your intelligence. Also just to let you know college doesn’t=intelligence, especially in 2025. Charlie Kirk was right in a sense that college is a scam because most kids aren’t securing jobs that give them the ability to pay off their college debt in a reasonable time or at all. Especially this generation of kids who are lazy and entitled and don’t want to put the work in.

    Anyways just settle down, and be more respectful. What you are doing is the equivalent of joining a NFL team as a rookie and disrespecting the OGs. If you were a veteran on this website, I probably wouldn’t have said anything. For what it’s worth I don’t think you’re an alt, I just think you’re a typical gen-z ******* kid.
     
  4. Homericlegend03

    Homericlegend03 Member Full Member

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    But does college not offer more pathways than the usual? Also Im sorry that I was rude
     
  5. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    So you're saying Charlo on a consistent basis needs two attempts to beat someone clean, got ya! The fact that he hasn't fought in 2 years and is practically retired, says all you need to know about that pathetic win. He and his headcase of a brother mentally checked out of this sport years ago. At least AJ has the balls pick himself up and dust himself off, and dedicates himself to improving upon his flaws.

    Of course I do, it's what many of the idiots on here have been tossing around about Crawford's performance against Canelo. If they can embellish like fiends, so can I!:deal: Ah... so, it's always someone bailing themselves out with their power, when it's a come forward fighter that's down on points. But magically when a master boxer is getting outboxed, oh.... he was setting him up for that shot all along!:lol: Yeah, just like Tank vs. Roach right? Standards are always shifting when it comes to the infallible untouchable ones.

    Joshua is overrated I agree. But Canelo is the most overrated fighter of this entire ****ing era. His entire ATG claim is built on a carefully constructed mirage and you damned well know it. Bivol beats him, you denigrate Caenlo, GGG beats him, you denigrate Canelo. Crawford beats him barely, HOLY ****, CANELO IS THE ****ING GOAT OF ALL GOATS! **** off!

    This elite version of Canelo in 12 rounds, landed FIFTY SIX PUNCHES on William Scull.:lol: Shishkin landed 110.

    I agree... if it weren't for double standards, you wouldn't have any.
     
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  6. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    You’re good, just be more respectful to the mods on here. You’re lucky you didn’t get banned. A lot of mods on any other forum would have banned you.

    Anyways, I’m not trying to sabotage @CST80 thread anymore.
     
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  7. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    You mean the realest one here who actually walks it like i talk it and has all the **** i say i have??? Lmfao! Don't get mad at me that Crawford proved people like you wrong in impressive fashion and now you and other haters are in overdrive trying to pick apart Crawford and the win. Meanwhile people and publications with credibility have already moved him to #1 p4p.

    Pbf is worthy of praise and if anything is underrated since he's better than both usyk and Crawford he's a top 15 atg they're not.
     
  8. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Usyk #1 and I'm not sure after that.

    Bivol smoked Canelo and that was the end of the legit Canelo hype.

    Usyk is fighting much larger guys. I was actually surprised that Crawford looked to be the same stature as Canelo.

    Three incredible fighters in Usyk, Crawford and Inoue. I like all of them.
     
  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Some people think Usyk is P4P#1, some Crawford, some Inoue

    I have laid out in great detail why I think it's still Usyk and I make a very compelling case, especially when you factor in all the context

    I believe that winning and unifying all your world titles in your opponent's backyards sans one on the road on a deck heavily or stacked against you

    Never having home advantage sans arguably one fight in a neighbouring country to yours

    Taking your belts on the road to your opponent's backyards many times to defend them

    Never having home refs and 3 home judges in any fight at the world level

    Only ever having 2 home judges combined in all your world title fights and fights at the world level

    0 home refs in any of them

    Running a murderer's row of KO artists and legit bangers not only your size and in their backyard or on the road all the time, but much or way bigger

    Never being a weight bully and when you move up in weight you're actually facing much or way bigger opponents, many of them huge or murderous punchers

    Is not only more difficult, much more risky, but much more impressive

    They believe that having 41 of your 42 fights at home on a deck heavily or stacked in your favour

    Fighting a murderer's row of featherfists and average punchers and barely fighting any KO artists or legit bangers, especially ones your size, let alone bigger or way bigger

    In your home country, with home refs for all your fights

    With 2 or 3 home judges for all your world title defences vs foreigners sans 1 fight where it was 1 home judge, 1 from your opponent's country, 1 neutral

    With only one of your foreign opponents in those fight ever having a home judge

    Every champion you've fought bar 1 fought you in your backyard

    Every reigning foreign champion you've fought bringing their world titles to you even when you were beltless and they were the champ fighting you on a deck stacked against then

    Having spent a large part of your career being a weight bully beating up on much or smaller opponents and still being bigger than your opponents, career opponents at those weights, when you move up in weight or at worst roughly their size or not much smaller at all even in a weight class six above the one you started out at

    Looking as lean as a hungry greyhound on the scales with very low body fat indeed at said weight six above

    Never being undersized in any weight class you've fought at despite there being a 33lbs gap between weight class 1 and 6

    Never having been at a reach disadvantage

    Often having a big or huge reach advantage

    Often having a big or significant weight advantage

    Is simply is not as difficult, risky or impressive as what Usyk has done and it didn't take you until this part of the post to say to yourself: ''Grrr.. I know Serge is right''

    It doesn't mean I don't rate Crawford or Inoue very highly or don't think they're exceptional talents and fighters because I can assure you I do and even though I love Inoue I like and respect Crawford too
     
  10. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Conceit is gods gift to little men. Those who bark the loudest are the ones who are most afraid.
    I respect the opinions of members on here more than a bunch of journo dorks who have never laced a glove in their life.
     
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  11. NewBoxingOrder

    NewBoxingOrder Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Your write-up on Crawford was outstanding.

    He looked very comfortable at the new weight, and I understood why after what you wrote.
     
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  12. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Charlo never got stopped and stopped them both in rematches. At least he didn't get punched around the ring by a fat unranked fringe contender and blown away by the first prime puncher he ever faced like aj was.
    He can't be more overrated than aj in regards to your post. Even current Canelo is superior to aj in almost every department. Moving up 2 weight classes and beating an undisputed champion in Canelo > beating Joshua. That's the end of it.

    I will say this once more, Fury was just as washed as Canelo, looked terrible against a lesser boxer than Scull, doesn't have a quarter of the achievements, cherrypicked more and doesn't even rank in the top 20 heavyweights of all time.
    Canelo > Fury and aj
     
  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Thanks

    He's a great fighter but he's never been undersized at any weight he's fought at, even in his 4th one or the 6th one above the one he started out at. There's a reason why that is. I still think he's brilliant but what Usyk has been doing is much more difficult, risky and therefore impressive
     
  14. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Had Canelo lost to them, like AJ lost to Ruiz they would have.

    You're saying that bthe Ruiz win became better just because AJ lost to him. I disagree.
     
  15. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    @CST80, i agree with a lot of this but not entirely. We can also pick holes in all resumes. For example, Fury was just coming off a controversial decision vs an MMA debutant.

    Bellew was coming off wins vs Haye who was completely past it. You can make a great case that rematching Breidis (who actually gave Usyk a good fight) would have done more for Usyk's resume than beat Bellew who, despite Haye wins, was past it.

    I have Usyk at #1 too. His overcoming of larger fighters is extremely impressive. I do think his resume has more depth than Bud's. But we can find faults in almost anyone's resume.
     
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