Reality Check Time! Oleksandr Usyk is Still The P4P Number One Fighter On The Planet. This Is Why...

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  1. SouthpawsRule

    SouthpawsRule Active Member Full Member

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    He assaulted the guy. Like I said, Liston was fine with punching a dude in the face, but people act as if he is this psychopath who went around cutting up and shooting anyone that annoyed him. Liston wasn’t built like that, almost no mentally-healthy individual is.
     
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  2. Dynamicpuncher

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    Because sometimes quantity over quality in regards titles won and overall title wins can be used as an argument if there's too much quantity for one fighter over another.

    Crawford does have a significant edge over Usyk in title wins with a 20 to 13 edge.

    And as I said being undisputed in 4 different weightclasses is a fantastic achievement that is certainly another argument in Crawfords favour.

    If you think Usyk's overall quality to his resume and his P4P achievements being more impressive in regards to beating considerably bigger opponents. Warrants Usyk being P4P number 1 in your eyes then that's fine I'm not saying its necessarily wrong.

    I'm just saying with Crawfords quantity of title wins and the achievement for being undisputed in 4 different weightclasses aswell as also beating 2 top 10 P4P fighters.

    There is an argument to be made for both men depending on what your criteria is.
     
  3. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The issue is though Serge is that Lewis has a vast resume unlike Fury.

    So whilst Lewis did have the odd off night and did suffer 2 losses to opponents he is objectively better than.

    You can make a better gauge of Lewis's level because as I said he has plenty of impressive performances and quite a vast resume.

    Fury on the other hand has only beaten 3 opponents ranked in the top 10 and he's looked more beatable than Lewis. Despite not having anywhere near the vast resume of Lewis so I do question how good Fury actually is.

    So whilst Fury is a big man and he has talent.

    He's also had too many poor showings and doesn't have a vast enough resume to overlook those bad performances unlike in Lewis's case.
     
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    Lol! You are kidding yourself, Mrs. Ngannou!
     
  5. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    What does that have to do with what I said? You don't even answer any of my questions.

    And Lummox needed to stop getting HL reel one punch sparked out or knocked absolutely senseless by smaller or much smaller C level crack addicts and fellow glass jaws in the midst of his prime

    Clenelo is a better fighter than Belly but that badly faded same size much shorter reach four year KO drought version Crawford beat was not better, more difficult to beat, or a more risky fight than the version of Belly Usyk beat due to all the reasons I outlined and the fact Crawford won't go anywhere near anyone much bigger than him, let alone way bigger with obscene physical advantages in their backyards and Usyk does that **** for fun at the drop a hat routinely in his opponent's backyard and on the road says it all.

    There never is ''I'm not fighting him because he's too big'' with Usyk, Crawford has literally never fought anyone much bigger than him in 42 fights and there is no way of spinning that

    The best you might get is 7-8lbs bigger with a slightly shorter reach once in a blue moon but his fans want to act like he's some kind of giant slayer road warrior who has run a gauntlet of massive punchers as opposed to someone who has been beating fighters he's way or bigger than, or roughly his size, with much shorter or shorter reaches, in his country 41 times out of 42 fights, and vs tons of featherfists and average punchers whilst barely having fought any legit bangers his size, let alone KO artists much bigger than him

    If Clenelo held a fraction of the physical advantages Belly holds over Usyk Crawford never would've fought him just like he won't entertain the notion of ever fighting Benavidez so size is obviously something Crawford considers hugely advantageous for both himself and potential opponents and very high risk for himself
     
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  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Belly's resume might be lacking but talent is not debatable, if you actually know anything about the sport that is. He's clearly very talented and gifted and he's by far the slickest and best defensive SHW sized giant the sport has seen. We have never seen a man of his dimensions who possesses his combination of skills, agility, slickness, versatility and ring IQ.

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    Whilst Wlad was old and past his best, Belly beat a Wlad who hadn't been bested in almost 12 years and was still extremely formidable, super powerful and whilst slower than in his prime still possessed all his attributes and sharpness, and was still taking his opponents out in devastating fashion. Even a year and a half later vs AJ he still looked excellent and had his athleticism, agility and murderous power

    FTR, I'd pick prime Wlad to stop Belly

    Funny how the not very good Belly was able to beat a still very good Wlad in his backyard, give Usyk 2 tough fights, and baptize The Dosser x 3 in his backyard, and was able to stop Chisora x 2, KO and stop The Dosser x 2, and KO Whyte but the #2 HW in the world now J-Park couldn't stop any of those guys and should be 1-1 vs Chisora

    The Dosser might have been another US hype job who feasted on weak opposition - and to be fair the best American fighter of this generation has also forged a 40 + fight career feasting off weak opposition for the most part albeit obviously he's generally fought a higher level of opposition than The Dosser (granted The Dosser later has never been a weight bully like they were for so long) but he was dangerous as **** with that right hand and if Lummox Lewis fought The Dosser x 3 I00% guaranteed he's getting one punch HL reel KO'd at least once
     
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  7. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Thanks.

    Yeah, and how often do you hear these clowns chant the ''weak era'' mantra when Crawford dominates a field full of ATGs like Ricky Burns, Postol, Diery Jean, Dulorme, Hank Lundy, Indongo, Felix Diaz, Avanesyan, John Molina, Jeff Horn, Beltran, Gamboa, Jose Benavidez etc? Exactly. Never.
     
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  8. Serge

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    :lol:
     
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    Saved from a certain KO loss by the bell and corner shenanigans vs a 22lb lighter Bivol sized Euro level LHW

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    Badly hurt by a 30lb lighter SMW sized LHW who had only taken up the sport 7 years earlier (yes, I know Conn was a great fighter) and started out at 135

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    I could keep going on but why do I need to when Ali and Louis are arguably the 2 greatest HWs of all time and are widely considered to be so by many?

    Lummox was one punch knocked sparked out in his prime by a smaller guy

    Huh? Dubois' physical advantages absolutely did help him out vs Lerena. He dropped him x 2 (legit KDs not injury related torn ACL voluntarily take a knee KDs) and stopped him whilst only having one good leg. The stoppage was controversial but the size, weight and power advantages were huge for Dubois and that was plain to see when he almost knocked Lerena's head off

    AJ and Dubois were the same size

    And Belly knocked out Cunnigham and The Dosser x 2. Of course size played a big part in that :lol:

    People now want to pretend like size isn't an advantage. We have weight divisions and weight bullies for a reason and it sure as hell isn't because fighters think size isn't an advantage. Why the hell do you think so many fighters cut and rehydrate so much weight it's not an easy thing to do?

    Yes the smaller or much smaller guys win sometimes but that is far from the norm :facepalm:
     
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  10. Lonsdale81

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    What's your thing for Ngannou? He's nearly 40 & almost irrelevant in MMA now... Aspinall is the best HW on the planet. Usyk the best boxer. That Ngannou beats him in MMA proves what? It's a different discipline , as Ngannou found out when Joshua folded him.. Usyk might well have been a great in that sport had he chosen it.. & vice versa.. your posts sound really insecure.
     
  11. SouthpawsRule

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    Oh absolutely, its just funny to see so many people talk about Francis as if he’s their fat next door neighbour.
     
  12. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Canelo has been overrated his entire career and nothing special the past few years. He got 12-0'd by Bivol 7 pounds north; the same Bivol who went on to lose to a 39 year old. This is not some dominant force. This is a spent cash cow.

    Usyk p4p #1.
     
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  13. Cojimar 1946

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    Parker hasn't stopped anyone of note his entire career aside from a horribly out of shape Bakole. His power has not been evident against world class opposition or even gatekeeper types. Hopefully he isn't really the number 2 heavyweight because if so that's a very poor look for the division.

    Wlads resume largely consist of much smaller men we haven't really seen him tested against quality bigger opponents so it's an unknown as far as how he fares. He likes to keep the fight at long range and clinch up close but against Fury and Joshua presumably that's less effective due to their dimensions and athleticism. Wach was big but obviously not very talented.

    For many of Furys fights where he was dropped or hurt he was lighter than he was for Usyk. He was 257 vs Pajkic, 254 vs Cunningham, 256 1/2 vs Wilder 1 and 254 1/2 vs Wallin. Some of these were pretty high profile fights especially Cunningham.
     
  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    No J-Park is the #2 ranked HW in the world, one of the guys you criticize Belly for not facing even though they're friends. J-Park might not be a KO artist but he has fast hands and he can punch. He dropped Chisora which isn't easily done and Bakole's lack of shape would've had little bearing on that big right hand he dropped him with as it was very early in the fight and it landed right on the top of his head. It was clearly a very powerful shot

    Wlad fought lots of big guys and he knocked the vast majority of them out, many early.

    And aren't you the guy who was just arguing that size isn't that much of an advantage? :lol:

    Like I said, I'm not just alluding to weight when I talk about Belly being in shape. It's mental and physical. After being taken the distance in his first fights vs McDermot, Chisora, and The Dosser he went 5-0 (5 KOs) vs then in the rematches all after coming in heavier than he did the first time. This is why he came in heavier for the rematch against Usyk.

    If you think the 278 Belly who fought Ngannou is the same Belly who weighed roughly about that weight (he weighed in at 281 fully clothed) for the Usyk rematch I don't know what to tell you

    And the lighter Belly who was dropped by Cunningham and Pajkic, and almost dropped by Firtha was a more vulnerable fighter back then in that regard
     
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    CST is right and you’re wrong.

    Crawford has 2 elite wins, Spence and Canelo. But there are huge caveats. Spence was coming off an almost life ending car crash and Canelo looked like absolute dog **** against bum ass Berlanga and mediocre Munguia.

    Now you can make the same argument for Fury, but Joshua was in absolute peak form and never had been close to being out pointed.

    Now that’s just his heavy resume. I won’t even bring up the obvious best win at cruiser but bring up Gassiev. Gassiev was an absolute monster at cruiser and was stopping everyone brutally, even the extremely dangerous Dorticos who is far more dangerous than anyone Crawford fought besides Spence/Canelo. Glowacki is another extremely underrated win.
     
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