Mike Tyson ''88 vs Foreman ''73 I know most us,including me pick George, but

The thing is everyone picks George and I pick George by decapitation within 3 rounds. BUT.

I think most of this is based around what Frazier did and how he did. The reason Joe had problems was George pushed him away and kept him at the end of his jab in the mid range and punched away til he died basically.

The thing is, Mike doesn't want to go on the inside. Watch all his fights and he punches his way in and he gets clinched,doesn't actually do anything in clinches and the ref breaks it up.

Woudlnt this fight actually be more like Lyle vs Foreman where they knock eachother down several times, because George is basically doing what Mike wants. Pushing him back into the mid range so he can jump in and George cant set his feet

 

Not the 88 version of Tyson. If people are comparing him to Frazier don’t. Mike was much more powerful quick and skilled. Foreman could win but would depend on their strategy. A big key to Foreman’s success with smaller fighters trying to get close was how he pushed them around. He pushed Frazier around like a little kid. Pushed Boone Kirkman right to the canvas. Tyson has to stay away and pick his spots. Foreman couldn’t laugh off power shots by Tyson the way he did Frazier and Norton. It’s a pickem. If I had to choose I go Tyson because of his speed skill and power.

 

Funny thing is that this pushing stuff actually backfired in his fight with Evander. George would push Evander backwards then throw Right hands, and because George was so strong he would miss all the time

 

Young Foreman crushes Mike like he did Frazier.

 

I never agree Foreman bosses this matchup like he did Frazier.

Tyson is faster and more defensively sound and more powerful than Frazier. Frazier tended to be relatively hittable for Foreman would just push him back and destroy him in exchanges or at distance.

 

They had comparable power but Tyson was faster and more skilled, with much better footwork.
Even if Foreman manages to push Tyson off he could be open for Mike's overhand rights (like Berbick was).
Tyson's speed, footwork and angles would be the difference IMO. That's not saying Foreman wouldn't catch him but he would certainly not get rid of Tyson with one shot.

 

I used to heavily favour Foreman but over the years I have come to see this as more of a 50-50 proposition. Foreman has some physical advantages but they come at the price of being slower in offense and more hittable in defence than Tyson. If a guy like Lyle gave Foreman all he could handle, I think prime Tyson would do so too.

 

Yes, your right.
If a guy like Lyle can have George all shook up (thank you very much Elvis), then it stand s to reason a faster, harder hitting guy can do more damage.
Yes I still think George but not with great conviction.

 

As much as people don't want to admit it. George was on the verge of being knocked out. He is just lucky Lyle gassed first. but the knockdowns Lyle did to him had nothing to really do with exhaustion and more to do with George getting sparked out

 

It was a tough fight for George,a big wake-up fight for him.
But he did prove he had heart in there.

 

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88 Tyson erases “Prime” Foreman there isn’t much that stands to reason why he shouldn’t plainly a terrible match up… GF was almost KO’d and seriously hurt fresh in rd1 by the first real right hand by Lyle, GF doesn’t survive a D’mato flurry wth MT’s sort of power WHEN it lands. GF does not possess the ability to jab and work a guy over the way Bus did nor the gas tank, any good head movement at all nor the footwork required for the job… Tyson punched with guys well, a wide whopping puncher like GF is eating shots down the pipe and plain easy pickings he was baffled by Ali’s speed in single shots, I don’t think he’d be prepared for a guy who can KO him with every punch but just as fast. Frankly speaking MT was a master of awareness (at one time) there’d be a feast of openings with how GF threw his punches (some hooks were literally thrown level to his rear or behind his head) pushing Tyson backwards is just assisting in reloading the gun, Tyson wasn’t Frazier he isn’t trying to get in and work he glides around mid range lighting you up, no opening? he clinches, shoving him back is just giving him what he wants lol Foreman’s jab was a not very educated he just stuck it out there to see what happened and it was a touch slow, that’s how he gets taken out, off an uncertain jab Carl Williams style IMO.

 

Foreman takes his head off, good to see the same dumb recycled arguments about Lyle for the millionth time.

 

I see Foreman as a tough stylistic challenge for Tyson because I don't see a shorter swarmer type beating Foreman who would just push Tyson off and land devastating uppercuts.

But what I will say is that Tyson was a bit bigger than Frazier, better combination puncher, considerably faster, had a better defence, and had a better chin aswell.

So I don't always necessarily agree this will be Foreman vs Frazier 2.0 because Tyson has beaten big imposing punchers like Bruno, Bonecrusher, Ruddock, etc.

So Frazier was more unproven against KO artist where as Tyson wasn't.

I still favour Foreman but I don't see it quite as clear cut as some do.

 

Let’s do a comic book style “stat spread” we see here a lot…

Chin: Tyson (mid)
Power: Even
Size: Tyson (minor)
Speed: Tyson (major)
Boxing ability: Tyson (major)
Reach: Foreman (irrelevant
Height: Foreman (irrelevant)

Overcoming reach and height were sort of MT’s speciality…