Crawford is the best ever.

Terence is the last old school throwback we have. Enjoy his last fights. Prob won't see another like him in our lifetime.

 

I’m going to assume here that you were either just trolling for some fun, or you got a little carried away after the Canelo win.

Terence is one of my favourite fighters.

The guy’s amazing.

But let’s be real, your statement is beyond ridiculous.

I’m sure that you’ve now realised this within the last month.

 

Hearns & Leonard would've eviscerated Crawford at 147.

 

With ease.

 

Ridiculous.

 

I have now read the entire thread.

Wow.

It’s bad.

Really bad.

A lot of it is both illogical, and very disrespectful to the guys of the past.

I wouldn’t know where to begin.

When I glanced over it for the first time, I thought that you were trolling.

A part of me still thinks that you are trolling.

Because if not, your way of thinking and your boxing knowledge are truly awful.

Seriously.

There is zero context applied.

Statements that have been made, that are just flat out wrong and bizarre, especially regarding the sport’s evolution.

There’s a lot of love for Terence on here.

Including from me.

But let us be real. As great as he is, he has never fought a prime ATG, and he had his hands full last year with Madramov, where he just squeeked by him.

Now you’ve come at this like a casual/a new fan, who has no understanding or knowledge of the sport and it’s history.

Now no matter how good a fighter is, two things will always be applicable:

1. Everybody has a ceiling.

2. Everybody has a stylistic nemesis.

There’d be more chance of a huge lottery win, than of Terence fulfilling your statement. For a start, he hasn’t even had a single fight at MW, and only the one at SMW, against a guy of a similar size. Yes, he beat that guy. But that isn’t evidence that he could have beaten any MW/SMW in history, and especially since he could barely beat a tough, pressure fighting JMW.

Now not only is your initial statement beyond ridiculous, there has been zero evolution from the 80’s and 90’s, across many divisions. And some very quick comparisons will prove that beyond a doubt. I can literally prove that to you within just a few minutes.

 

If you read his post and that translated to you as him saying your stupid then you are hardly doing yourself any favours.

He also didn't say that Terrence would lose to guys of the past. He didn't name any fighter actually that would have beaten bud. If you actually were able to read properly he is actually saying there are fighters that could have beaten him. There is a difference between could and would.

 

No.

It’s not in any way the same.

First of all, Terence is one of my favourite current fighters. So he gets plenty of love from me. As does Usyk etc.

So I have not being disrespectful to the modern fighters in any way at all.

It’s you who has scoffed at the losses of some of the old greats etc, without allowing for any context.

Again, Terence is great. But whether you like it or not, he is completely unproven against the calibre of many guys from the past, and he has beaten no prime ATG’s.

He has also only had just a few fights above WW, where one was a very hard fought win against Madramov at JMW, before his fantastic recent win against Canelo at SMW.

Now although Canelo is in his mid 30’s, Terence deserves huge plaudits for both hunting down the fight and for his fantastic performance.

However, that does not give any credence to your bizarre statement, which carries no weight whatsoever.

It’s just a statement based on emotion, with zero logic attached.

Embarrassing.

Also, once again, there has been zero evolution for decades, where I can easily show you where many divisions and many groups of fighters of the past, were just flat out better and more gifted. By any metric.

Not only has there been no evolution for decades, it is also just as silly as predicting what will happen within the next 25 years. Because the sport has proven to us, that 25 years into the future doesn’t show any definite progress at all, to the point where we can make assumptions and take things for granted like you have done earlier on in the thread.

Now in 25 years, the divisions may be stacked full of great fighters. They also maybe average, or even weak.

Today’s current MW division is the weakest it’s been for decades, where today’s top 10, most of who are B and C level guys, couldn’t have sniffed a top 10 ranking over 30 years ago.

If the sport was in a state of continual evolution, then it wouldn’t be possible for me to give you many, many divisions of the past which were superior to today’s divisions in every way, and it would be absolutely laughable to do comparisons between today and 30-40 years and today.

Now, I could actually give you some laughable comparisons between many divisions from within that time period. But the funny thing is, they would be laughable, but in favour of the older guys. And again, by any metric.

If you want to do some quick comparisons, we can do.

 

BTW, just so there’s no misunderstanding, I am not saying that Terence couldn’t have beaten any past greats.

He absolutely could have beaten some of them. Maybe many of them.

What I’m disagreeing with, is you saying that he would have found a way to have beaten any/every fighter in history from 135-168.

That is absolutely illogical on every level.

 

It doesn’t need three paragraphs to define Crawford, he’s a top tier fighter that exists. He’s not the greatest of any generation let alone the greatest ever in any weight class. If I could be arsed I could literally name 100 better fighters than Crawford. Someone like Monzon beats him easily at MW, Mosley would have smashed him at LW.

People make out Crawford became undisputed in all these divisions by cleaning up royally but he didn’t beat every champ to win every belt did he. His record is Burns, Gamboa,Spence, Avanesyan and Canelo. People making out he’s running through champ after champ, Froch record is miles ahead in terms of competition.

 

You’ve replied to everyone else over the last month, across 10 pages.

You have made the bold claims.

So come and defend them.