Most unbeatable nights for fighters

Wilfred Benitez v Roberto Duran
Floyd Mayweather v Diego Corrales
Muhammad Ali v George Foreman
Rodolfo Gonzalez v Chango Carmona
Salvador Sanchez v Danny Lopez I
Lionel Rose v Fighting Harada

 

Hatton and JMM were on that level in name alone.

Referee didn't allow Hatton to make the fight ugly - Floyd would've always won, but would've been interesting had Hatton been allowed to maul Floyd a little bit and force him to fight on the inside.

JMM fought at an alien weight and Floyd came in over the weight - whilst the performance was phenomenal, it certainly wasn't JMM in there as we know him.

 

Ali was also fat for Jimmy Young it does not mean he was not training it means he was eating too much either way it’s irrelevant… It’s a fact Ali sparred and trained in exile what he weighed that whole time? who knows but a couple of softer photos of the guy don’t dismiss it he had a famous appetite. Ellis, Futch, Norton, Bugner etc among others have verified he was training along the east coast getting work in during the 60s “exile”. Futch for example said Ali drew crowds in the gym during the 60s “exile” sparring. Your quotes are they from a book? Because I don’t really care what his ghost writer scribbled, here listen to what he said at 58:35 onwards that’s right after the bout from his own mouth… “I’m telling you he has no power, I kept telling you he don’t hit hard” Ali complained he was thumbed that’s it. The point of my above quote was to illustrate it was “a mirage” “the science of not taking punches” he was describing the “Rope A Dope” against Foreman he didn’t take “ungodly punishment” that’s a myth; “The psychology is not really taking punches. Making myself what you might call a 'mirage.' Making the fella see something he think he don't see. Make him punch, looking for openings. The object of the fight is to chase a man, or to corner him, and they all think I'm gonna dance and run - Foreman thought that. What happens was I led them into the ropes, and they punched away, looking for openings, and they're whamming the jaws and the sides and the arms... If you're in top-notch shape and experienced, you know how to stand there for a while. All these fellas threw shots all day, didn’t one come through. What's gonna happen is, this man's gonna charge me. This is why I use this psychological thing, just to blast away, and after three rounds, it's all easy going for me because he's tired.' If you want to go no further that’s fine, I’ve said it all here… but Ali did not take “ungodly punishment” during the RITJ his quotes on the “Rope a rope” and after the fight support this, for good sake the film does too it was mostly arm punches in the clinch by Foreman ffs. if he pee’d blood (where did you get that from? I hear it a lot?) it was because of the Kidney punches Foreman threw not “hellacious body shots” it also is again a FACT Ali trained in exile.

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Preach
A force of nature.

 

Bud Crawford vs Errol Spence was surgical precision.

 

Ali spent time with Cus, and in some of his post exile fights he actually toys a bit with peekaboo, I want to say it was Bonavena where he does the staple duck and weave

 

Ali boasted that he didn’t take Young seriously and therefore, did not train properly for the fight.

Ali said this at the presser before the fight - and lifted his shirt to pat his swollen belly in order to hammer the point home.

It’s also not as if it wasn’t obviously apparent in respect of both Ali’s physical appearance and performance during the fight.

Ali was, unquestionably, in poor shape for Young.

 

I'd be worried about anyone that thought any different.

 

Link? Time stamp? That’s interesting.

 

1. Learn how to use paragraphs. I don't have the time to decipher your emotional word salad gibberish.

2. "It’s a fact Ali sparred and trained in exile what he weighed that whole time? who knows but a couple of softer photos of the guy don’t dismiss it he had a famous appetite."
No one’s saying Ali didn’t train at all—he probably kept up some roadwork and did occasional sparring. But there’s no way he was putting in anywhere near the volume of work he did while defending his belt. If he had, he wouldn’t have ballooned into the 230s with a massive belly. A few exhibitions here and there just can’t make up for nearly three years of relative inactivity.

Then again, you also think Ali trained for the Young bout despite Ali going out of his way to make it clear he'd done zero training and lifted up his shirt to reveal his belly to show just how little he thought of Young. You clearly don't know what you're watching so perhaps continuing this discussion would be pointless.

3. Accusing Ali of using a ghostwriter just for saying Foreman hit hard is as transparent as it is pathetic. You’ll twist anything to disparage Foreman, yet take every other fighter’s word at face value when it suits your story. It’s not analysis—it’s desperation, bias, and weak attempts to trash a guy all rolled into one.

4. Here listen to what he said at 58:35 onwards that’s right after the bout from his own mouth… “I’m telling you he has no power, I kept telling you he don’t hit hard” You realize Ali said very similar comments about Frazier following FOTC. That he was never hurt, that Quarry hit him harder, etc.

 

This is an odd nomination considering Leonard was getting outboxed a lot and only just barely managed to rally and turn things around with a barrage. If Hearns was a little more durable, he might've won. Certainly didn't make Leonard look "unbeatable", but it was a hell of a win and sometimes underrated.

 

I remember watching this fight live with some friends at a diner. My friend Travis noticed the intensity on Bud's face, focused like a guy who was paid to make someone disappear and to do so as professionally as possible with no sloppiness.

No one was going to stop Bud that night. You'd have to hit him with a baseball bat. He wanted that win more than he wanted oxygen.

 

1. Fair

2 don’t be coy people have basically denied he did anything in exile for the longest time. Ali was active but was he training as intense for a fight? No, I didn’t suggest that and nobody does train that way in the off season, this off season was just… very long lol but he was throwing hands with other professional fighters during those 3 years undeniably. If we agree on that, that’s fine by me because it’s the truth no matter how much folks try to down play it.

About Young… stop being so pedantic and looking for reasons to be rude, the point was just because he was fat it doesn’t mean he didn’t train, you can use other examples instead of Young Vs Ali - try this… “Old George Foreman was fat but he still got work in” your body composition doesn’t mean anything typically besides self control when wielding a fork, Ali had a famous appetite and no fight on the horizon in the late 60s what did you expect?Just because Ali looked chubby in a couple of photos in “exile” doesn’t mean he wasn’t sparring or training that’s just silly we’ve had plenty of fat gym junkies Toney was one.

3.. So a ghost writer is your preference over Ali’s own words on video because it suits your argument? Fair - secondly your “oh your trashing Foreman” talk is irrelevant if you can’t discuss something without insulting someone kick rocks.

Can you get the “pee’d blood for a month” source? I hear that so much but never see a source. I can’t change the fact Ali on camera said after a fight he wasn’t close to being stopped in that Foreman’s power wasn’t all that, I think GF hit really hard if it makes you feel better.

 

Felix Trinidad vs Fernando Vargas …was the best performance I’ve ever seen from a puncher

 

Ali said a lot of things. He said Frazier was a street fighter with no technique, but of course that changed after their 3 fights when he was singing songs of praise.

On another occasion, he said Foreman was the strongest fighter he ever fought. He also said that if Foreman fought Tyson, he'd win because Foreman was too big and strong for him. That doesn't sound like someone who honestly believes Foreman can't hit hard. You can pull up whatever quotes you want, but you can't cherry pick.