I have seen the fight multiple times. Foreman dug to Ali's body as hard as humanly possible. The likes of Holmes and Usyk would have been stopped right there and then if they were on the ropes. The idea that Foreman didn't throw super heavy shots that landed is contradicted by every single person who was in both camps. Foreman kept attacking Ali's body and hoped that Ali would drop his hands so he could target the chin. I just have to agree to disagree. Foreman threw and landed super heavy body shots that no heavyweight not named Muhammad Ali could have absorbed. I don't understand why some people would deny that Ali had a better ability to take a body shot than other heavyweights.
2. "don’t be coy people have basically denied he did anything in exile for the longest time. Ali was active but was he training as intense for a fight? No, I didn’t suggest that and nobody does train that way in the off season, this off season was just… very long lol but he was throwing hands with other professional fighters during those 3 years undeniably. If we agree on that, that’s fine by me because it’s the truth no matter how much folks try to down play it." I don't understand why you continue to lie. Their was an 18 month period where he didn't even set foot in the ring. Article clipped from The Observer - Newspapers.com™ Cus' Damato who was actually around Ali at the time actually predicted Quarry would win because of Ali's inactivity. "Cus D'Amato, who guided Floyd Patterson to the heavyweight title, was on hand Wednesday, and said Ali's long layoff gives Quarry the edge in the bout. "While Clay has been inactive, Quarry has been fighting competitively for 10 years. That is the big thing," said D'Amato." Article clipped from The Huntsville Times - Newspapers.com™ "even though Ali at 230 pounds is "way out of shape" Article clipped from The Miami Herald - Newspapers.com™ "Since he was found guilty of draft evasion, Cassius hasn't seriously worked out in a gym" Article clipped from The Sacramento Union - Newspapers.com™ As for Foreman carrying extra weight later in his career, sure—but he showed up that way for every fight, so it was nothing unusual. Ali, on the other hand, typically came in in excellent shape, so when he arrived out of shape, it was clearly an outlier and a sign he hadn’t been training seriously. Plus, Ali’s lack of conditioning noticeably affected his performance and endurance, whereas Foreman’s did not. 3. "So a ghost writer is your preference over Ali’s own words on video because it suits your argument?" Are you joking? Ali was notorious for talking down his opponents before and after fights. He did the same with Frazier, even calling him a weaker puncher than Quarry, and calling his loss a "white man's decision" insisting he won. Your refusal to believe Ali’s words in his own biography is as laughable as it is pathetic and delusional. And the lengths you’ll go to disparage Foreman—twisting facts, dismissing Ali’s testimony—just highlights how thin and biased your argument really is.” He also said this in another one of his books "Soul of a butterfly" “Of all the men I have fought, Foreman was the most powerful” Here's the source for Ali peeing blood. It was a discussion between people who were actually there, including Dundee himself. The Greatest: Remembering 'The Rumble in the Jungle' · The 42 The author Norman Mailer stated: He took some tremendous shots around the kidneys. He was urinating blood for days afterwards. If that weren’t true, Dundee would’ve corrected it immediately. But sure, I guess in your world these weren’t Ali’s camp or eyewitnesses — they were undercover aliens posing as Dundee and everyone else who saw it happen, right? This is from a reporter who was ringside after the fight and with Ali the day after "the morning after, Ali kept getting up from his seat in the sun on the banks of the Zaire to check whether he was still urinating blood" Article clipped from Waterloo Region Record - Newspapers.com™
So did Foreman not remember his own fight...? George Foreman: ''Muhammad amazed me, I'll admit it. He outthought me, outfought me. That night, he was just the better man in the ring. Before the fight, I thought I'd knock him out easy. One round, two rounds. I was very confident. And what I remember most about the fight was, I went out and hit Muhammad with the hardest shot to the body I ever delivered to any opponent. Anybody else in the world would have crumbled. Muhammad cringed, I could see it hurt. And then he looked at me, he had that look in his eyes, like he was saying 'I'm not gonna let you hurt me'. And that's the main thing I remember about the fight.'' The man himself had a better view of what was going on than anyone else that day. He threw the hardest body shot he'd ever thrown, saw Ali was in pain, and Ali dealt with it like a champ refusing to crumble under the pressure. No one is saying Foreman landed every single body shot or battered Ali from pillar to post, Ali did in fact manage to avoid block or roll with some of them. But several of those body shots did land. You're denying what dozens of ring side reporters, compubox numbers, and Foreman himself said.