Johnny Fisher vs Herbert Matovu set to fight at Matchroom card in Monaco on December 6

Fisher was proven to be a complete hype job but he really should blast out Matovu inside a couple rounds.

 

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I don't think Fisher ever claimed to be that good, he said it would be a stretch and an absolute dream to fight for he British title someday which sounds about right to me.

Good to see him back in the ring, he seems like a nice guy. I wonder id he can still sell tickets despite the loss.

 

Fisher is Tom Dallas 2.0. Price would have KO'd this guy inside 1 or 2 rounds.

 

This is where people get mistaken, he wasnt a hype job. Hes always been what he advertised as, people just see a guy get pushed as a popular ticket seller and think they are being pushed as a next world champion. Hes always said British Title would be a dream. Sad to see this guy get abuse for losing against Dave Allen. The same Dave Allen that most of us predicted to take out Makhmudov meaning Allen, a fringe world level standard fighter. Johnny such a stand up guy, just a fella who makes a living doing something he enjoys.

 

What you just said. That is exactly what a hype job is. One whose generally unbeaten records were built by fighting absolute trashcans, in addition to getting extra media attention and promotional backing at the same time, not even beating anyone above journeyman standard.

In Fisher's case, don't get me wrong Johnny is a lovely guy that I do genuinely have a lot of respect for. But one of the reasons Fisher was so popular in the first place is because his father is an internet comedian/sensation, in which that will obviously build one's brand, thus painting him as a future HW champion by some at least. And when Fisher finally fought a weak gatekeeper in Allen he lost twice, despite being an incredibly heavy favourite by all parties.

By the way. Makhmudov and Allen are both nowhere even remotely near 'fringe world level standard' fighters. They both at best are weak gatekeepers.

 

We have very different opinions to what a hypejob is. To me, A hypejob is someone who is being sold as something which he isnt. Johnny Fisher has never been sold to be anything more than he is. Johnny Fisher is and will most likely always be a british level fighter at best.

Fisher is not a hypejob. This would insinuate hes not what hes advertised as. Are you telling me Johnny Fisher is not a British level fighter? Could he not compete for the British Title and eventually win it? You are mistaking Hype with Popularity. Johnny is a ticket seller, a popular guy. Hype is what you are seeing with Moses Itauma. Hes expected to go on and do great things and if he doesnt, then he will be seen as a hypejob. Everybody is buying into the Hype of Moses Itauma. If you bought into Johnny Fishers popularity as if he was meant to be some Great British hope then thats on you. People just see a undefeated popular guy these days and assume hes meant for great things and hes ultimately got to become a world champion. If Johnny Fisher becomes British Champion thats more than overachieving for someone of his ability.

To say Mak isnt Fringe World Level i do not agree with. Fringe World Level is around 20-30. Hes for sure a Fringe World Level fighter. Even at 36.

 

"Johnny Fisher has never been sold to be anything more than he is" - I think we both know thats bulls***, his popularity massively flattered his actual ability level, enough people expected Fisher to win world titles at one point like David Price for example. Thats a hype job, and it sounds to me that you may have bought a hype job in Johnny Fisher until he lost to Dave Allen, and obviously Fisher is British level.

I'd be surprised if Johnny Fisher didn't lose some interest in the aftermath of the Allen losses, and thus some hype as a result.

Certainly - Itauma could be a complete hype job considering he is pretty untested especially with regards to his chin, stamina, ring IQ, and so on. However, you don't knock out Whyte inside a round unless you're a serious talent, but yes there are defo still questions to be asked with Itauma.

We have different ways of ranking fighters it seems. I rank a fighter from part-timer, journeyman, gatekeeper, contender, champion, ATG. In your case I assume its county level, British level, Euro level and World level. Makh is barely European level, literally barely even if he is ranked 30th worldwide by some. Allen is certainly British level at best. What has Makh done to prove he is anywhere near a contender status?

 

Comparing David Prices hype to Johnny Fishers is completely wrong. Price had the amateur background, the olympic medal, levels compared to fisher when entering the pro game. Price was dubbed the man to dethrone the Klitschkos from very early. Thats like saying Fisher turned pro and was being hyped up to be the next king of the Heavyweights, because thats what Price was being hyped up to be.

Price and Itauma is more of a comparison in hype. Price was boxings prospect of the year in like 10' or 11'. Fisher entered the pros as a big guy coming from years playing Rugby at Uni. You are saying enough people expected Johnny Fisher to win a world title... For what reason exactly? Because he is a popular ticket seller? He lost to Dave Allen, a guy who is at the level hes striving to get to, and all of a sudden hes a derailed hype train. My point exactly. Mistaking popular with hype. Him being popular has clearly misled people if you genuinely believe he was being hyped up to be a future world champion and now a loss to Dave Allen has led to him being dubbed a failed hypejob. Crazy.

Makhmudov for me, could be thrown in against plenty of current fringe world level guys and be competitive. Fighters like Otto Wallin, Joe Joyce, Dillian Whyte, are all on the fringes of World level and dropping rapidly. You are telling me Makhmudov would have no chance against them, even at 36? Would be completely mis matched? David Adeleye is probably European level, a strong 28 year old. Id have no problem picking Makhmudov to go through Adeleye. Id like to point out, i picked Allen by stoppage against Makhmudov. The fight wasnt close. He was clearly too big too strong for a British Level contender in Allen. Id imagine he would be too big too strong for plenty of others at a higher level also. Its very easy to dismiss Makh after the Vianello and Kabayel fights, im one of them who did, losses against two fighters who are showing more and more that they are solid fighters.

Kabayel is clearly one of the best in form heavyweights globally right now and Vianello has a case hes world level himself having only narrowly lost to Ajagba and then Richard Torres who himself is being hyped as a future heavyweight world champion. Very harsh analysis of Makhmudov if im being honest, yet before Dillian Whyte, Itauma was already being promoted as one of the best heavyweights in the world already having beaten nobody himself, The same sort of thing Makh was being touted as before Kabayel. Now all of a sudden hes barely European level.

 

Johnny Fisher was pretty hyped up by some especially British fans before the first Allen fight even with some casual boxing fans touting him as a potential world champion, and if even if not a world champion, a contender at least - and certainly expected to beat Dave Allen at a 1/16 favourite in the first fight. It is pretty clear Fisher failed to live up to his hype and expectations hence that is an example of a hype job.

Price was more hyped up by serious boxing fans than Fisher was, helped as you said Price won bronze in 2008 Olympics, but was never more than a weak gatekeeper at best ultimately.

Fringe world level? You mean good journeymen and weak gatekeepers? Both Dave Allen and Adeleye is a good journeyman at best. I agree Itauma is pretty hyped up at the moment but he has proven a lot more than Makh ever did by beating Whyte.

I think it would be fair to regard Makh as a Euro level weak gatekeeper and I'm sure most on here would agree with that.

 

Failed to live up to his hype? Again, for the 3rd time, you are confusing popularity with hype. He was never destined to be a world beater. You are talking about Fisher like he was being pushed as a superstar, he is a popular ticket seller backed back by matchroom getting a lot of publicity. If he wins a British Title hes done what was expected of him. Again.. If you have been misled by Johnnys popularity and you now class him as a hypejob, then thats on you not understanding Johnnys level before the Allens fights. Fisher was a massive favourite because Allen was basically retired, had one competitive bout vs Clarke in about 6 years. I think that was more to do with how much we all thought Allen was back for a little bit of cash more than how good Fisher is. It could have been bloody Kash Ali fighting Allen that first night against Fisher and id have thought it was a toss up for christ sake. Fisher was matched with Allen because it was a solid enough name to keep building his profile with what seemed little risk, not due to Fishers ability, but due to Allens current state at that time.

Price was eventually exposed yeah, but we are talking about the hype and potential not how the career ended up. His hype was on par with how we talk about Itauma hence why thats a better comparison than Fisher. Anyone who saw how popular Fisher was getting and how well he was being promoted, to think he was going to be anything more than a British Champion, doesnt have a clue.

Adeleye im pretty sure was European champion before the Wardley loss. Im pretty sure thats enough to say European Level... Makhmudov is above European Level Fighters. Even at 36. Simple as that. What Fringe World Level fighters is Makhmudov completely out of his depth against and wouldnt belong in the ring with. You are saying people on here would agree, yet half of them are now on threads saying Makh knocks out Anthony Joshua. So unless Joshua is no longer world level, what are we talking about here. You are wanting to use peoples opinions on here as a reasoning as to why Makhmudov is a European Level Journeyman saying they would agree, which means you would agree Anthony Joshua is so far past it he now gets murdered by a European level journeyman??

The point is this. You put Makhmudov in against Joe Joyce, Dillian Whyte, Derek Chisora, Otto Wallin, fighters who have competed at world level, and are now probably gatekeepers to world level, Fringe world level is not actually world level, im not saying Makhmudov is a world level fighter, im saying he is on the fringes of world level. Theres a difference, hes tried against a world level operator in Kabayel, and failed. He tried against Vianello who himself is probably just about entering world level, and failed. The fact you could put him in with the gatekeepers of world level and not know if he was to win or lose beforehand, thats why he is Fringe world level. To basically say he is a European Journeymen is a crazy call.

I believe Dave Allen is good enough to win a British Title and even a European Title given the right styles, Makhmudov just showed hes beyond that. Thats enough for me to say he can compete at the fringes of World Level.

As for Johnny Fisher, if you want to call him a Hypejob, feel free, just means you didnt understand the brand of Johnny Fisher & Big John and why he was so popular. He was never this guy that was gonna run through everyone and become a unbeaten world champion. Just a big popular Novice who could whack and was exciting, maybe he will lose fans now who think the same as you and believe hes a derailed hype train exposed by Dave Allen, shame because hes a top bloke and hes still got more incredible domestic nights ahead. The guys only 26, hes got a great future in boxing and i for sure think he gets his hands on a British Title!