Jack Sharkey in the 70s

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Melankomas, Oct 15, 2025.

  1. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2022
    Messages:
    7,148
    Likes Received:
    8,825
    Where would he rank? Who would he have beaten? Could he have gotten a hold of the belt
     
    KasimirKid likes this.
  2. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2017
    Messages:
    16,444
    Likes Received:
    11,870
    He could have beaten Quarry, maybe Lyle, Shavers, Bugner
     
    Melankomas likes this.
  3. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2008
    Messages:
    25,537
    Likes Received:
    9,540
    I think a prime Sharkey could have been very competitive oj the 70's .. Keep in mind , Ali and Foreman at 6' 3" were huge guys for the era ..
     
    robert ungurean likes this.
  4. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2018
    Messages:
    2,254
    Likes Received:
    3,395
    As is the case so many times in these inter-generational comparisons among heavyweights, P4P he'd be competitive, but size-wise, he'd be over-matched in most cases. I say competitive, not that he would win the title. Ali, Frazier, and Foreman are likely to be insurmountable obstacles even at match weight.
     
  5. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2022
    Messages:
    7,148
    Likes Received:
    8,825
    How competitive of a fight do you think he can make against Ali, Frazier, Holmes, Foreman, Holmes, Norton if at all?
     
  6. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mauling Mormon’s Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2021
    Messages:
    19,661
    Likes Received:
    21,618
    Doesn’t do great… Norton and Frazier are bad match ups for Sharkey. Ellis, Mathis, Patterson, Quarry and Lyle are good choices for him? Foreman, Young and Ali I’m iffy on, Ali was at his best against mastiff type brawlers… I think Sharkeys weird jerky style could eek out a bizarre looking split decisions same as with Young no one would care if he got robbed, no one would rewatch those bouts to question it either lol. Foreman either destroys him or gasses out, I think Sharkey is a bit too fox witted for Zaire George and the one vs Young stops him if he sticks to his jab.
     
  7. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2018
    Messages:
    2,254
    Likes Received:
    3,395
    I thought I added (at least I attempted to add) in my original answer that he wouldn't be competitive against Ali, Frazier, and Foreman in any event even with matched weights. Don't know where that comment went. At match weights I think he could be competitive with the others, but who the hell knows? And I don't really care. I try to enjoy the fighters for what they did in their own eras. I'm not sure why I got into this mess anyway?! I try to avoid fantasy fights as being a pointless exercise and a time waster. It must have been because I like Jack Sharkey and wanted to stand up for him. I'll try not to make that mistake again! By the way, I consider Holmes to be a man of the '80s.
     
    robert ungurean and Greg Price99 like this.
  8. Steve Fero

    Steve Fero Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2019
    Messages:
    353
    Likes Received:
    278
    It’s simple Sharkey is about a Quarry. H2H I take Quarry in a very tough fight. But that’s about Sharkeys level. Hes not beating Frazier Ali Norton Foreman Jimmy Young Larry Holmes. Chuvalo Bonavena Quarry Ellis would be interesting but I’m only picking him against Chuvalo.
     
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta likes this.
  9. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2017
    Messages:
    16,444
    Likes Received:
    11,870
    He would be the same size as Jerry Quarry
     
    KasimirKid likes this.
  10. AntonioMartin1

    AntonioMartin1 Jeanette Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2022
    Messages:
    5,118
    Likes Received:
    4,222
    No one. He'd been too old in his 70s, even Jimmy Young would have won by knockout!
     
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta and Seamus like this.
  11. KasimirKid

    KasimirKid Well-Known Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2018
    Messages:
    2,254
    Likes Received:
    3,395
    Now that would be an interesting fight, a true test of inter-generational prowess! Both fought with similar style gloves (maybe Quarry would have used gloves weighing 2 oz. more ??, but at least the gloves had thumbs), similar ring sizes (as negotiated between the parties), similar round durations (10 for non-title and 15 for title bouts), similar knock-down rules (I think the three-knockdown rule was still being waived in championship bouts when Quarry was boxing, but I'm not sure), similar same-day weigh-in rules (although that would not have mattered much for heavyweights unless there was a contractual requirement to make a specific weight), and similar conditioning practices (traditional methods of training and no steroids!) etc., etc.
     
    Last edited: Oct 17, 2025 at 12:00 PM
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta likes this.
  12. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2017
    Messages:
    16,444
    Likes Received:
    11,870
    Sharkey was born in 1902 meaning he'd turn 68 in 1970 and 77 in 1979. I can see 77 year old Sharkey losing a close split decision to Larry Holmes in 1979
     
    AntonioMartin1 likes this.
  13. AntonioMartin1

    AntonioMartin1 Jeanette Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2022
    Messages:
    5,118
    Likes Received:
    4,222
    LOL
     
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta likes this.
  14. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2006
    Messages:
    71,622
    Likes Received:
    27,309
    If you put him in the tournament to find Ali's successor, then he is arguably the betting favorite, with the usual caveats that attend him.

    It is not strictly impossible that he beats one of the big beasts of that era, it is just improbable.
     
    KasimirKid likes this.
  15. Julien West

    Julien West New Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2021
    Messages:
    27
    Likes Received:
    59
    You may be correct. Sharkey was sadly exposed by Joe Louis, but in the intervening years, he became an expert fly fisherman. That flick of the wrist in casting the fly, endlessly repeated, could only have enhanced his overhand right. Such a weapon might make a difference in the outcome of such a fight, as it nearly did when Ernie Shavers fought Holmes.
     
    KasimirKid likes this.