Tyson Fury > Wlad Klitschko

If Fury beats four loss Joshua, it's "so what? Ruiz, Usyk x2 and Dubois got there first."

If Fury loses to four loss Joshua, it's legacy-ruining.

If Fury doesn't make the fight (Joshua is desperate for it now as it's the only way he can partly redeem his own legacy, and secure a huge cash out) he's choosing legacy protection over money, I don't see how this is hard to understand. Fury-Joshua is still probably the biggest money fight in boxing.

 

Fury was the No.1 HW in between dethroning Wlad and losing to Usyk, or certainly prior to Usyk making his mark at HW.

Wlad didn't fight his No.1 rival in his own era and most apparently believe Wlad would have lost to him.

 

What was Wlad's ATG status coming off getting schooled by Fury? It was considered highly debatable that he was top 10. And snatching defeat from the jaws of victory against a green pro Joshua should have sunk his reputation further.

 

Fury's main rivals were Wilder (2-0-1, 2 KO's over a trilogy) and Joshua (who fell below Fury when he was stopped by Ruiz). Fury would have fought Joshua's conqueror but the little fat man wanted 20 million to get his head jabbed off.

Wilder's x2 are the best wins among those. But even Chisora and Whyte are arguably the best wins of Vitali, Haye, Kabayel (as it stands) and Povetkin.

 

Did Wlad win by losing? Your hero seems to think he did.

 

lol

 

It's unclear because if I said Vitali > Wlad, the general response would not be disagreement. They were certainly the top 2 HW's post-Lewis but pre-Fury. Or if I said Bowe > Wlad, there would be a mixed response but a lot of agreement. They'd say things like "I favour Bowe H2H and he had better top wins and a fraction of the losses and not a bad loss but Wlad had much more longevity/quantity" etc.

I don't think victories over Chisora, Whyte, Kevin and Hammer necessarily make a fighter a world-beater. But while these wins are often played down for Fury, they are arguably the best opponents beaten of Vitali (Chisora), Haye (Chisora), Kabayel (Chisora, as it stands), Povetkin (Whyte), or round out the top 10 wins of Vitali (Kevin) and Povetkin (Hammer).

 

I don't put as much value as you do in Wlad beating a long list of Calvin Brock's and Alex Leapai's.

It's not Fury's fault that Joshua kept losing when it mattered and now legacy-wise, it doesn't matter.

It's not Fury's fault that Wlad capitulated to Joshua and then claimed a perverse "moral victory".

 

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