the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Mac, I had it a little closer due to 2 even rounds, but we're on the same page.

George Foreman v Shannon Briggs

Round 1: 10-9 Briggs
Round 2: 10-9 Foreman
Round 3: 10-9 Foreman
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Briggs
Round 6: 10-9 Briggs
Round 7: 10-9 Briggs
Round 8: 10-9 Foreman
Round 9: 10-9 Foreman
Round 10: 10-10 Even
Round 11: 10-9 Foreman
Round 12: 10-9 Foreman

Total: 116-114 Foreman (actual scores: 114-114 even, 117-113 and 116-112 both for Briggs on a majority decision)

Clearly, I had Foreman the winner, but perhaps not in the vein of the wild robbery I have seen discussed here. I had George pulling it out over the last 2 rounds. His last fight and you hate to see anyone go out on a decision that could have and should have, IMO, gone to him.

 

Well, the judges robbed Schulz, not George.

But similarly i always said, in boxing sometimes we have what I call making up decisions. Pernell Whitaker for example, was given two he deserved to lose against Wilfredo Rivera-although the second one was a bit more "arguably"- for the two he definitely deserved to win against Ramirez and Chavez.

in this case it was the other way around-we'll give you Schults, George, but we'll take Briggs away!

 

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Ive been boxing binging lol

 

I didn’t know Dundee well — talked to him a few times in person and by phone — he managed/advised a fighter from my town and met him through that connection when he would drop in from time to time. It was a few years later when I saw him in AC for that Lupe Suarez fight.

It was either before the first fight or during an early undercard fight that he was outside the locker room wandering around and I walked up and said, ‘Hi Angelo, not sure if you remember me’ and reintroduced myself. He obviously had a title fight coming up but chatted for a minute or two, asked how the guy in my hometown (retired by then) was doing and said, ‘I need to get my guy ready, come by the locker room after the fight.’ I figured I’d get turned away (especially after Suarez lost) but I stuck my head in the door and Angelo waved me in, introduced me to Suarez and some of his people and Lupe was in good spirits considering. So I hung out there for a bit and Angelo and I talked boxing (he thought Spinks might give Tyson trouble but only if he got past the first five rounds, which he was doubtful would happen) and such.

I think I had maybe one or two other interactions with by phone after that, but I can say he’s as nice and helpful as anyone I’ve ever encountered in boxing. I know he told me some Willie Pastrano stories (Willie was a substitute for a substitute when he beat Harold Johnson for the light heavyweight title — Angelo said he got the call when the second challenger fell out to see if Willie was available and he called Willie and said ‘How’d you like to fight Harold Johnson for the championship?’ And Willie responded, ‘Hell no, that mother-blanker can punch’ haha … then of course he took the fight and won it.)

Angelo was always positive and a class act in all my interactions with him. Happy to have met the man.

You mentioned Sean O’Grady and I also met him a few times (attending various Tuesday Night Fights that were in my area). I can’t remember when or where, but first time I met him I approached him maybe an hour or so before the first bell at a card just to tell him I was a fan of his as a fighter and commentator, and I had been to see The Rolling Stones recently and was wearing a designer Stones sweatshirt and he said, ‘’I love The Rolling Stones’ and had seen them a few times and we spent probably 5 or 10 minutes swapping concert stories. Love the Bubblegum Kid.

 

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Almost as sad to watch as Holmes-Ali 20 or so years later.

 

Carl Thompson v David Haye

Round 1: 10-9 Haye
Round 2: 10-9 Haye
Round 3: 10-9 Haye
Round 4: 10-9 Thompson
Round 5: Thompson drops and stops Haye

Total through 4 completed rounds - 39-37 Haye (official scorecards not known)

Wow! Don't know why it took me so long to check this out. Hard to think anyone would have a different scorecard other than possibly giving Haye a 10-8 round for the 1st round. It's really amazing how, I felt, that Thompson's accuracy was pure crap until the 4th round. Man, it was like he missed everything until then. Thompson seemed to shoot his bolt in that 1st round because, although winning the rounds, he just seemed spent. Once Thompson started zeroing in with that right hand in the 4th, it was only a matter of time. Excellent win for the 40 year old, seeing as how Haye had so much success afterwards. Excellent fight.

 

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Big George way too big for the Marine.

 

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The legend's debut.

 

Matthew Saad Muhammad vs Dwight Muhammad Qawi (he goes by Braxton still at this time), scheduled for 15 rounds for the WBC light heavyweight championship on Dec. 19, 1981, at Playboy Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, NJ.

Muhammad is 31-3-2 (24) and making the ninth defense of his title. He weighs 174 1/2 pounds and has a 4-inch reach advantage at 75 inches and is 4 1/2 inches taller at 5-11. While he is 27 to Qawi’s 28 years old, Saad has a lot of miles on him. He also had to lose 3 pounds to make the weight limit that morning.

Qawi is 15-1-1 (8) and coming off wins over contender James Scott and former champ Mike Rossman.

1. Muhammad 10-9: The champion uses his reach to keep his distance, circling slowly behind his jab and also landing a good right and a few body shots. Qawi uses his own jab to the body and lands a couple of glancing blows, but misses wildly a time or two,

2. Qawi 10-9: MSM is in control with his jab most of the way, although the shorter Qawi slips his share, but the fight changes when Qawi rocks the champ with a big right with 45 seconds left and follows up to take over.

3. Qawi 10-9: Saad tries to get back to the jab but Qawi is slipping it now and gets inside, where he cleans up with short, chopping combos.

4. Qawi 10-9: Muhammad changes tactics and tries to back Qawi up, working inside and pushing the shorter challenger back. But the Camden Buzzsaw buzzes in close with strong combos to the body and head, busting Saad’s nose badly.

5. Muhammad 10-9: Matthew takes the play away as he gets back to circling behind his jab. He also lands a couple of combinations but mostly misses with his big right hand. Qawi doesn’t do much besides jab to the body.

6. Qawi 10-9: Qawi outjabs Muhammad and then busts him up inside, really wobbling him with a left hook late in the round. Matthew’s nose gets busted open again.

7. Qawi 10-9: Muhammad back to the jab and circling and has it going his way until Dwight rocks him with a right hand and follows up with body shots and uppercuts over the last minute.

8. Qawi 10-9: MSM tries but can’t find the elusive target as Qawi gets under or around his shots. Dwight takes it with his body work and uppercuts at close range.

9. Qawi 10-9: Matthew is looking bad and fading. Qawi works double jabs and then beats the champ up pretty good along the ropes in the last 30 seconds.

10: Qawi wins by TKO at the 2:54 park. He wades in and chews MSM up along the ropes, then Matthew makes a last stand as he loads up and trades toe-to-toe. Qawi puts Muhammad down with a right hand and is battering him along the ropes when MSM’s corner steps into the ring and referee Arthur Mercante waves it off.

Official cards: 89-83 x2 and 89-82. I had it 88-83.

I called this result (not the round) when the fight was made. Even though Qawi had less ring experience, he was clearly the real deal and I thought Matthew was getting shopworn and running out of late rally-to-win finishes. I also thought he’d have trouble landing cleanly on Qawi, which he did, and that Dwight would be able to counter him effectively, which he did.

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Gabriel Ruelas v Troy Dorsey

Round 1: 10-9 Ruelas
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Ruelas
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Ruelas
Round 6: Referee/Doctor stops contest with Dorsey cut

Total through 5 completed rounds: 50-47 Ruelas (actual scores not known)

Man, these two just leaned their heads on one another and punched. But although Dorsey put up a spirited fight, there was only going to be one outcome. He lacked Ruelas' punch and he was known as a bleeder. Indeed, he was swelling early (maybe I missed it but I never saw an endswell or icebag in the Dorsey corner). Anyways, he split wide open in the 6th and it was quite rightly stopped for the last bout in Troy's career. But again, a spirited contest.

 

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What a fantastic fight!!

 

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Courageous Floyd!

 

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One of the best knockouts Ive seen!

 

This was the bout I remember. That ref warned Clark for absolutely EVERYTHING under the sun and paused the fight every chance he got to give Teo time to recoup. For a finish one could see Clark was so intimidated that he wouldn't even throw a punch for fear of being warned. No wonder the crowd wanted the ref's skin.

 

There’s a good thread on Jimmy Clark that provides some insight as to why he didn’t become a player on the heavyweight scene as a pro — finished 18-1 (16) with one no contest against Kimmel Odom in his last fight.

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/how-good-was-jimmy-clark.511376/