Who would Canelo have to beat

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  1. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    Im not even sure what fantasyland canelo was ever number 1 pound for pound.
     
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  2. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    It won't be Eubanks thats for sure. He would need to beat Benevidez and or Bivol or Beterbiev at 175 to be in the top 3 P4P imo.
     
  3. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There is virtually no pathway for Canelo to become a relevant PFP fighter again. He's too far past his prime and he's got 100+ training camps on his body - its just not happening.

    If he fought and beat Usyk at CW it would be an incredible win but it would be more negative for Usyk than positive for Canelo as people would say Usyk was drained and old.

    Canelo has no chance of becoming PPF #1 again especially with Usyk and Bud not formerly retired and Inoue continuing his ascension.
     
  4. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I disagree. The Canelo that fought BJS beats any version of Crawford.
     
  5. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    He is lucky he is in top 10. Look at this killer schedule he went through. Scull, Berlanga, Munguia, Charlo.

    Then pulled a guy up two weight class and lost.
     
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  6. SquaredCircle

    SquaredCircle Active Member Full Member

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    It's more likely he turns up shot to pieces within the next couple years than it is he gets back into the top 3 P4P, let alone number one. That said, he'd need to convincingly beat Crawford and Bivol in rematches to take the undisputed titles at 168 and 175, beat somebody like Benavidez, and then win a legit title at cruiserweight. He's been comprehensively beaten twice in the past few years, failed to fight elite opposition otherwise, and that hurts his case.
     
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  7. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    At this stage it's pretty much impossible
    He is done that that level
     
  8. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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  9. Dorrian_Grey

    Dorrian_Grey It came to me in a dream Full Member

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    The show is packing up and the lights are dimming. Canelo isn't the fighter he once was and it's not like he can become a B-Hop cosplayer and start becoming a jab and grab kind of guy. He can still beat plenty of contenders and might even still have a chance against Benavidez, but I think his place among one of boxing's elites is slipping further and further away with each passing moment.
     
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  10. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    LOL, I stopped when you said the fight was close to a draw. Please. Crawford dominated Canelo. To you question, for Canelo to get that #1 spot, Beat Beterbiev and Benavidez back to back within a 6 month period. That would do it.
     
  11. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Do you have Braindamage or something? The Fight WAS close to a Draw. It was 95-95 x2 after 10 rounds. Crawford needed to win the last 2 rounds to win the fight.
    LOL OK at least you mapped out what he would have to do. I just find it interesting that he has to move up another weight devision and beat two much bigger fighters than him in order to regain a spot that he had before HE moved up to 175 to fight a bigger guy in Bivol and he gave Crawford a shot at 168 which he didn't have to do. He made these big fights, he challenged himself, therefore he should get credit and shouldn't drop from #1 to #10 for having competitive fights against Top P4P Fighters. After all he's already done in the sport and how relatively good he looked in both his losses to Bivol and Crawford. The only thing justifying such a drop is the thing that some of you believe, as to the extent Bivol won or Crawford won which is subjective and frankly shows a lot of favoritism for Bivol due to fandom and a dislike of Canelo. That seems to me to be why we are here so I'm exposing that and calling out those that put us here.
     
  12. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    Doesn't have the god gifted tools or iq
     
  13. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Crawford, Bivol and Beterbiev.
     
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  14. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    If he knocks Jake Paul out cold, I'd put him #1.
     
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  15. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Beating any one of those would be career defining and legendary. Needing to beat all 3 to reclaim what he lost is a big ask, especially coming from you who had Canelo already beating Crawford. On the other hand there is the need to physically reclaim what he lost being part of P4P and actually showing that he can beat Crawford or at least in a more convincing fashion.

    I think you can say that Canelo didn't perform up to the expectations or the standards that we expect of Canelo, but I think you'd agree that it wasn't a poor performance either. And I wonder if the problem for Canelo is motivational. He seems to have trained very hard in the gym but in his last 2 fights he fought very slick very defensively style slippery fighters and I don't think any of us, fans or non-fans can say that Canelo really passed the test over the last 2 fights against Scull and Bud.

    But that doesn't mean he can't pass those tests, part of what is new here is the fact that he's now fighting for the Saudis and there's a different kind of energy going on. There was a definite agenda for this to be Crawford's crowning achievement and especially with it being advertised by WWE and being the first ever of its kind that is a lot to unpack and I don't think we've really scratched the surface of what all went on there but the result of which is that Canelo finds himself #10 on the P4P List and I can't for the life of me understand how he would have dropped so far. Maybe a little bit, but from out of the Top 5 to #10 in a fight that you and others had him winning or at least being very close. Does not make sense to me, I just don't see how a close decision loss to a P4P #1 dropped you out of P4P contention. I mean Canelo could have easily salvaged a draw there with a judge giving him 11 or 12, and I'm asking you to imagine that scenario and where Canelo and Crawford might be ranked if Canelo retained, and lets just say it throws the whole thing upside down.

    The main point here and I think it's an important one is the way in which P4P Rankings are nowadays is almost comical. But it's not as if P4P itself is comical. I'm just saying that nothing about canelo being dropped to #10 or how any of this happened makes any logical sense, but it's being done for a reason. A much more sensible result of Canelo losing to Crawford is, Crawford moves to P4P #1, or maybe he doesn't, and maybe Canelo drops a few spots, or maybe he doesn't. But to plummet to #10, in both ESPN and Ring as if they're both holding hands when coming to that decision (think about it) it all seems a little dodgy to me. Now you might not care because you don't care to defend Canelo like you do Usyk Bivol or GGG, and that's fine, but in not doing so you're de facto signing off on this.

    Generally it doesn't make sense for two Top 5 P4Pers to Fight to a Close Decision and for one fighter to sky rocket to #1 and the other to fall to #10. And the justification for Crawford being P4P #1 as a result of beating Canelo, and I know you and others disagree and have Usyk #1, is that Canelo was a Top P4P Fighter himself, Top 5 they said. Former #1. This would only make sense (for Crawford to be elevated to #1) if Canelo's P4P Ranking held at least around what it was. For him to drop, that makes no sense. So please, provide some analysis of this situation, if any of this strikes a chord, what does what doesn't.